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What does this freeze mean for courses down here?
Posted on 2/16/21 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 2/16/21 at 1:37 pm
What kind of damage does the multiple days of ice do to the Bermuda greens? Does it make any difference for the spring?
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Posted on 2/16/21 at 1:48 pm to reauxl tigers
Generally grass is pretty resilient. Will bounce back quickly
Posted on 2/16/21 at 1:49 pm to reauxl tigers
Dont walk on frozen greens.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:12 pm to ell_13
Yeah apparently people were walking around in a course near me. I hoped they stayed off the greens.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:25 pm to ell_13
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Dont walk on frozen greens.
Too late at Santa Maria
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:55 pm to reauxl tigers
Almost all of the courses up here in NELA have put tarps over the greens and aren't removing them until the weekend at the earliest. I thought they were blowing it out of proportion but I was wroooooong.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:56 pm to reauxl tigers
Got a lot of wet before it froze. That will protect the grass - as long as no one walks on it
Posted on 2/16/21 at 5:25 pm to reauxl tigers
This type of cold weather in South Louisiana can cause severe damage to bermudagrass greens. In December of 1989 there were a lot of greens lost. In January 2018 there was also a lot of winterkill turf damage to greens. Let's hope for the best but I know that the golf course superintendents will get the greens back in shape if needed when the spring temperatures return.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 7:29 am to reauxl tigers
in all honesty we don't really know how the greens will come out of this. I am a superintendent, and myself and the others I have spoken to in the last few days are nervous about what we may be facing in the coming weeks. We are on day 3 of being under ice here in Lake Charles. we have had ice before, but not for this long of a period. Its been since 1989 since we have seen temps like this, and these ultra dwarfs greens weren't on courses back then. In 1989 we had Tif Dwarf and Tifway 328. As a superintendent, I ask you guys to be patient after this and not bash all the local courses for not being what you want them to be. This will not be an immediate fix and may take some time to recover from. I hope I am wrong, but my gut tells me different.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 8:02 am to leblanc272
How do the courses up north survive? Different grass?
What’s the best/worst case scenario?
What’s the best/worst case scenario?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 8:17 am to CoachChappy
Different turf. The northern courses also have to worry about timing it right on blowing out their irrigation lines, and a shite ton of other disease pressure coming out of the winter.
Best case scenario for Bermuda and extended cold temps would be for the turf to survive, maybe lose 10% or so. Worst case would be significant turf loss from cell dessication.
I actually had to educate my crew in Fort Lauderdale 2 weeks ago on what frost was. They had never seen it on the the course here.
Best case scenario for Bermuda and extended cold temps would be for the turf to survive, maybe lose 10% or so. Worst case would be significant turf loss from cell dessication.
I actually had to educate my crew in Fort Lauderdale 2 weeks ago on what frost was. They had never seen it on the the course here.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 9:22 am to ThatMakesSense
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Worst case would be significant turf loss from cell dessication.
Would this result in needing to redo entire courses or just the greens? I’m really ignorant and curious about this subject.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 9:25 am to ThatMakesSense
Didn't a bunch of places have really bad greens post 2018 freeze? I feel like I remember a lot of places really struggling even into the summer.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:02 am to The Johnny Lawrence
yes, a lot of course struggled with greens in the spring/early summer of 2018. As far as the rest of the turf damage, we just don't know and I am not going to start speculating now on damages. I've only been doing this 20 years and this is the worst I have seen. We just don't know, but I can assure you that the Golf Course Maintenance crews will be doing all they can to make the courses great again, so Please be patient and don't get on here slamming this course or that course for not doing enough.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:53 am to leblanc272
I have been a Super for 42 years and was in Florida in 1989 when we had the ground freeze for over 120 hours. This resulted in most every Bermuda green suffering from sever winter kill from Tallahassee to Houston. The vast majority of the courses replanted greens the upcoming summer. What made that event so devastating was the dry winds during the 5 day freeze.
This freeze was not a dry freeze so this reduces winter kill severity but some disease issues associated with colder temps comes into play.
We really don’t know what we will face but I am optimistic for the courses in the Southern part of the state.
This freeze was not a dry freeze so this reduces winter kill severity but some disease issues associated with colder temps comes into play.
We really don’t know what we will face but I am optimistic for the courses in the Southern part of the state.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:23 pm to leblanc272
Here’s hoping you are wrong. I know that is what you are hoping for as well. I just don’t see this being good for golf courses anywhere in LA or TX. In fact this could be the end for some courses. Many are struggling financially and won’t be able to afford to fix the problems that will come from this.
I will agree with you & remind posters not to be overly critical of any courses. Be thankful that you can play there.
I will agree with you & remind posters not to be overly critical of any courses. Be thankful that you can play there.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 7:50 pm to reauxl tigers
Now everyone is more worried of this second freeze tomorrow night and Friday night.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 8:20 pm to ManyTiger
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In fact this could be the end for some courses. Many are struggling financially and won’t be able to afford to fix the problems that will come from this.
This is my fear. Courses are going to be in rough shape and frankly people don’t have any patience. I hope it all works out, but we’ll see.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 8:23 pm to reauxl tigers
Walking on greens is a big no no. Passed by webb and saw people all over 1 and 2
Posted on 2/19/21 at 1:45 pm to carameldog
Don't understand the downvotes for this post - it is spot on. "This type of cold weather in South Louisiana can cause severe damage to bermudagrass greens. In December of 1989 there were a lot of greens lost. In January 2018 there was also a lot of winterkill turf damage to greens. Let's hope for the best but I know that the golf course superintendents will get the greens back in shape if needed when the spring temperatures return."
This post was edited on 2/19/21 at 1:50 pm
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