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re: Telling 15+ caps to improve by practicing short game is wrong, and insulting
Posted on 8/21/25 at 5:08 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 8/21/25 at 5:08 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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By the time you get to a 15 it's normally pretty obvious what the "Ok this is the part of my game I need to work on the most" is.
Agreed. Everyone is different. All aspects are important. Some people cannot chip for shite.
But here is the thing, working on your short game means working on ball striking. Your long game will benefit from improved striking. Working on the long game means clubhead speed. Clubhead speed wont help your short game. I think spending more time on the short game is a better use of practice time. I score my best when my short game is super sharp.
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Posted on 8/21/25 at 6:40 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
A bad putt will almost always only cost you one shot
A bad chip can sometimes cost you more than one shot
A bad driver or bad longer iron often cost you more than one shot
The data also backs this up. There is no reason for people to still believe short game is more important for “scoring”
A bad chip can sometimes cost you more than one shot
A bad driver or bad longer iron often cost you more than one shot
The data also backs this up. There is no reason for people to still believe short game is more important for “scoring”
This post was edited on 8/21/25 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 8/21/25 at 7:32 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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I think spending more time on the short game is a better use of practice time. I score my best when my short game is super sharp.
Everyone scores better when they have a sharp short game, this is the whole disconnect.
The players I’m talking about aren’t trying to score better, they’re trying not to make double and triple bogies on every hole. Once they can manage that, then they should practice more on their short game. Telling someone who can’t stop slicing it out of bounds on half their shots to practice chipping and putting is wasting their time.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 7:49 pm to lsupride87
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A bad driver or bad longer iron often cost you more than one shot
You’re right.
The reality is IF you can keep the ball in bounds and out of hazards while advancing it as far as you can, you will have more of a chance be to reach your potential as a golfer.
Golf is difficult at times for most of us.
I did go down to the practice bunker this week. And it helped refine my bunker shots.
I sort of default to the putting green bc it’s very convenient to stop by and roll some.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 9:59 pm to Tiger1242
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The players I’m talking about aren’t trying to score better, they’re trying not to make double and triple bogies on every hole. Once they can manage that, then they should practice more on their short game. Telling someone who can’t stop slicing it out of bounds on half their shots to practice chipping and putting is wasting their time.
I think a ton of ams also do not score properly so they either miscount their OB/penalty strokes or they simply ignore that tee shot that started OB and stayed OB.
If they were scoring themselves properly and realized they’re trying to avoid double or triple bogey by the time they’re around the green, maybe they’d realize it’s their tee to green that’s killing them, not the duffed chip or 3 putt for a 7 (which was actually for an 8).
Posted on 8/21/25 at 10:00 pm to Tiger1242
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The players I’m talking about aren’t trying to score better, they’re trying not to make double and triple bogies on every hole.
That's not a 15 handicap. Double and triple on every hole?
15 handicap is trying to make pars and keep doubles off the card. Might even make a birdie.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 10:05 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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That's not a 15 handicap. Double and triple on every hole?
I said they’re trying not to make doubles not that they are making them.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 10:35 pm to Tiger1242
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said they’re trying not to make doubles not that they are making them.
Still not a 15 handicap if they are worried about double on every hole. And you said triple too.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 12:16 am to Tiger1242
actually, everyone should just focus on 100 yards and in. its the most important part of the game.
you can top 2 shots down the fairway. but to be able to get onto the green from anywhere within 100 is how you score
you can top 2 shots down the fairway. but to be able to get onto the green from anywhere within 100 is how you score
Posted on 8/22/25 at 6:20 am to iwyLSUiwy
I don't know if I commented on that one too but I agree. Most people will have more fun if they can keep the ball in play off of the tee without constantly losing balls by hitting it in the water, hazard or OB
Posted on 8/22/25 at 7:17 am to donRANDOMnumbers
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actually, everyone should just focus on 100 yards and in. its the most important part of the game. you can top 2 shots down the fairway. but to be able to get onto the green from anywhere within 100 is how you score
Math says otherwise.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 7:31 am to donRANDOMnumbers
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actually, everyone should just focus on 100 yards and in. its the most important part of the game.
The point that I’m making is you’re wrong.
The cool thing about that is I’m right
Posted on 8/22/25 at 8:44 am to Tiger1242
Lot of truth to all of this here.
I picked golf back up in July after a 10 year hiatus. Here is what I did to break 90 last week.
Got a swing evaluation. I was addressing the ball poorly. This taught me the right way to swing with my irons and wedges.
Chipping mechanics. Boy was I wrong on a lot of it. I went from virtually 0% up and down to 20-30% now.
Lastly, I said piss on trying to hit my driver straight. I can aim left and still get 220 off the tee, in the middle of the fairway? Play the swing God gave me. The last few rounds I have played I hit 70% of fairways and my misses have been around 5-10 yards off the fairway.
Now my focus is the second shot and approaches. I know how to do it. I think I get the yips. I can't tell you how many times I've been less than 150 out with a great lie, and just embarrass myself.
After that I will get a bit more serious with my 3W on longer holes. I still aim it like it'll slice and get some decent results, but I am making par 5's play way longer than I should.
I am hoping this can keep me in the 80's.
I picked golf back up in July after a 10 year hiatus. Here is what I did to break 90 last week.
Got a swing evaluation. I was addressing the ball poorly. This taught me the right way to swing with my irons and wedges.
Chipping mechanics. Boy was I wrong on a lot of it. I went from virtually 0% up and down to 20-30% now.
Lastly, I said piss on trying to hit my driver straight. I can aim left and still get 220 off the tee, in the middle of the fairway? Play the swing God gave me. The last few rounds I have played I hit 70% of fairways and my misses have been around 5-10 yards off the fairway.
Now my focus is the second shot and approaches. I know how to do it. I think I get the yips. I can't tell you how many times I've been less than 150 out with a great lie, and just embarrass myself.
After that I will get a bit more serious with my 3W on longer holes. I still aim it like it'll slice and get some decent results, but I am making par 5's play way longer than I should.
I am hoping this can keep me in the 80's.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 8:54 am to donRANDOMnumbers
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you can top 2 shots down the fairway. but to be able to get onto the green from anywhere within 100 is how you score
Why would you want to do this, it's like wiping before you poop, it just don't make sense.
Jack Nicklaus had a great quote " If you can putt, you can score; but if you can't drive the ball, you can't play"
Putting is essential for scoring but the game starts with the tee shot, you need to be in play off the tee to even give yourself a chance but once you're on the green, putting is what separates the scores.
Here is another thing that would help amateurs score better. no matter where the pin is on the green, play to a back pin placement and take 1 more club than what you think. Most amateurs end up short of the green and have to play those delicate chip shots, 10 to 20 yard chips. I know that all the golf board guys hit their 7 iron 190 yards but you don't do it consistently, you fat it, hit it thin, keep the face open at impact and end hitting it 20 yards shorter than what you intended. well, if you play to a back pin placement, that 20 yard short shot will still be on the green and if you hit it perfect, you'll still be on the green.
Most people would be better off putting from off the green too. I putt every time I have a chance. A bad putt is better than a bad chip. If you chip and you leave yourself a 10 to 15 footer, most people would be happy with that but the down side is that you can blade it, chunk it and leave yourself in a way worse spot than if you putt. If you leave yourself a 10-15 footer after putting the ball, most people would say that it wasn't a good putt but hey, your still putting for a chance to save bogie or hopefully par.
Practice lag putting, this is the best way to help prevent 3 putts. Also, always try and miss the putt to the high side of the cup, the ball will not roll out as far and it will leave you with a shorter putt.
It's ok to leave a putt 2 to 3 foot short, I know it's frustrating to leave a birdie putt short but I'd rather have a 3 footer for par than a 6 footer coming back after I made sure to GET IT TO THE HOLE. Leaving a 3 footer in any direction is great, that gives you a 6' boundary all around the hole to try and leave the ball.
Lastly, get your ego out of the way, if you drive the ball 225 yards and your approach shot is a 6 iron or longer in on most of the holes, you're playing from too far back. Give yourself a chance to score, unless it's a par 5, the pro's are hitting a 7 iron or less in to most of the greens giving them a chance to hit the green and sometimes get it close. Golf needs to be fun and if you can't score, what's the use.
This post was edited on 8/22/25 at 9:20 am
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:02 am to fjlee90
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Lastly, I said piss on trying to hit my driver straight. I can aim left and still get 220 off the tee,
The good thing about not hitting the ball a country mile is that your miss hits are still in play and they aren't deep in the woods
If you can keep your tee shot in play and not 3 putt, for the most part, you should always be in the 80's. Keeping those double bogies off the card is huge. Also make sure your playing the correct tee's. If after your 220 yard shot your having to constantly hit 6 iron or longer in, you're playing from too far back.
This post was edited on 8/22/25 at 9:04 am
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:46 am to fjlee90
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Now my focus is the second shot and approaches. I know how to do it. I think I get the yips. I can't tell you how many times I've been less than 150 out with a great lie, and just embarrass myself.
Something that really helped me the last year is to totally take the outcome out of play.
Meaning, I solely focus my pre shot routine of target, intermediate target, address the ball with appropriate alignment, good back swing and let her rip. When I start to worry about the outcome I rush steps or abbreviate something in the swing and I end up with a bad swing. Something to consider
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:55 am to RawDog7984
quote:No it's not at all. This has been proven over and over again.
This is just an awful take.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 2:39 pm to BoostAddict
Getting off the box, get to the green quicker ability, as well as chip/putt short game ability can both be argued to be an easy way to lower your score.
But by far chipping/putting short game is way easier to learn or get better at quicker. Basically, since less body parts involved, you can improve the short game quicker than driver and irons.
But by far chipping/putting short game is way easier to learn or get better at quicker. Basically, since less body parts involved, you can improve the short game quicker than driver and irons.
This post was edited on 8/22/25 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 8/22/25 at 2:55 pm to AlxTgr
lol what’s been proven over and over? That not all 15 handicappers are created equal? This thread is making up scenarios where a “15” handicapper is trying not to make double and triple every hole. These comments making this a blanket statement is asinine. What is factual is distance matters, the short game is the easiest way to lower your score (key word easiest), and if you can’t get off the tee you’re gonna struggle. I’ve seen so many bad golfers get close to the green and skull wedges, chilly dip wedges, or 3 putt and make double from 130 yards in.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 3:16 pm to RawDog7984
quote:What exactly are you trying to say and how does it apply to 15+ handicappers? Because,
lol what’s been proven over and over? That not all 15 handicappers are created equal? This thread is making up scenarios where a “15” handicapper is trying not to make double and triple every hole. These comments making this a blanket statement is asinine. What is factual is distance matters, the short game is the easiest way to lower your score (key word easiest), and if you can’t get off the tee you’re gonna struggle. I’ve seen so many bad golfers get close to the green and skull wedges, chilly dip wedges, or 3 putt and make double from 130 yards in.
quote:is absolutely wrong.
the short game is the easiest way to lower your score
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