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re: Scottie Arraignment
Posted on 5/21/24 at 9:37 am to lsupride87
Posted on 5/21/24 at 9:37 am to lsupride87
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Where does it say the cop jumped on the car? The cops own words don’t say that, zero witnesses say that You have now lied twice. Why?
That’s what TDTOMMY and BSTACEYAU said.
I’m just trying to figure out what you guys think is ok to do when no listening to police orders.
This post was edited on 5/21/24 at 9:40 am
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Posted on 5/21/24 at 9:46 am to BigApple
When one cop tells you to drive around and another screams don’t, how exactly do you listen to police orders? 
Posted on 5/21/24 at 9:56 am to BigApple
I would like to know what the acceptable police training advises in a situation such as the one at issue. Why would the police officer either grab the handle of a moving vehicle, or jump on the hood of a moving vehicle, or put himself at harm in any way just to stop a slow moving vehicle from driving around a barrier? It’s not like there was any chance that Scheffler was suspected in any way to have any connection with the bus that killed the victim. There was zero reason for the officer to put himself in harm’s way other than his ego. He could have either taken down the license plate and charged him for the lesser offense after the fact, or followed him into the parking lot and addressed the issue there.
I am all for following the orders of the police officers, but this seems to be a situation of conflicting information from the officers on the scene. One of them got his ego bruised and has now blown the situation up to a PR nightmare.
It will end with an agreement for Scottie to make a public apology and he will pay a fine for a traffic violation. The DA’s office is going to let the thing die down a little and then push to let the police save face by getting a fine paid.
I am all for following the orders of the police officers, but this seems to be a situation of conflicting information from the officers on the scene. One of them got his ego bruised and has now blown the situation up to a PR nightmare.
It will end with an agreement for Scottie to make a public apology and he will pay a fine for a traffic violation. The DA’s office is going to let the thing die down a little and then push to let the police save face by getting a fine paid.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 10:03 am to BigApple
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That’s what TDTOMMY and BSTACEYAU said.
Do what now? Here is an exact quote of what I said.
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Nowhere in there does it say he was struck. It sounds like he grabbed the car and was too stupid to let go.
This post was edited on 5/21/24 at 10:05 am
Posted on 5/21/24 at 10:07 am to Lg
quote:The report I saw from the original reported/eye-witness was just 10 yards. About the amount of time you realize someone is holding on to your car and you stop.
When the car stopped, after traveling about thirty yards, the cop started banging on the window with his flashlight. If I'm not mistaken, there were two law enforcement people involved, one on one side of the bus Scottie was trying to go around and then the guy who tried to keep him from entering the grounds. The first gave him the go ahead to go around and the second one acted like an idiot.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 10:12 am to DivotBreath
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It will end with an agreement for Scottie to make a public apology and he will pay a fine for a traffic violation. The DA’s office is going to let the thing die down a little and then push to let the police save face by getting a fine paid.
If I'm Scottie, there's no way I'm settling or admitting any guilt even for a lesser charge. Let the DA take this thing to trial. Judging by this pre-arraignment hearing, the prosecutor doesn't seem to be the brightest crayon. No way a jury convicts Scottie of any of this.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 10:24 am to lsupride87
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The officer didn’t jump on the car. He shuffled on the side of the car grabbing at the handle
shite that's arguably more threatening than jumping on the hood. Actively trying to enter the vehicle.
Always nice when cops break protocol/training and get injured in the process and the "perp" gets additional charges as a result of the cop's intentional disregard for protocol.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 10:35 am to JohnnyKilroy
A different eye witness speaks out
Wischusen's account of what transpired corroborates Darlington's telling of the story, but it also provides new details.
"He was pretty, you know, enthusiastic, let’s say," Wischusen told Golf.com while describing Officer Gillis first approaching Scheffler's vehicle. Wischusen said Gillis "beamed his flashlight up and down Scheffler’s car and yelled at him with words to the effect of: "Whoa, whoa, whoa, who are you? Where are you going? Get back in line. You’re not allowed to come through here."
Darlington explained that the officer "attached himself" to Scheffler's car. Gillis, whose body camera was not activated at the time, described that he was "dragged" to the ground by Scheffler's car which resulted in injury and damaged pants, which was specifically noted in the arrest report.
Wischusen explained that Gillis was running alongside the car.
"When [Scheffler] drove past him, the cop got very angry pursuing the car. … My impression was he was kind of running alongside chasing the car, and maybe he tripped and fell," Wischusen told the outlet. "I mean, there was kind of an outcropping or median, you know, by the front gate. And keep in mind, it was raining. It was 6 o’clock in the morning. It was dark."
When he was asked about Darlington stating that Gillis attached himself to Scheffler's car, Wischusen said "I could see him stumble, but I did not have a very clear view of exactly how you want to categorize his contact with the car."
Wischusen's account of what transpired corroborates Darlington's telling of the story, but it also provides new details.
"He was pretty, you know, enthusiastic, let’s say," Wischusen told Golf.com while describing Officer Gillis first approaching Scheffler's vehicle. Wischusen said Gillis "beamed his flashlight up and down Scheffler’s car and yelled at him with words to the effect of: "Whoa, whoa, whoa, who are you? Where are you going? Get back in line. You’re not allowed to come through here."
Darlington explained that the officer "attached himself" to Scheffler's car. Gillis, whose body camera was not activated at the time, described that he was "dragged" to the ground by Scheffler's car which resulted in injury and damaged pants, which was specifically noted in the arrest report.
Wischusen explained that Gillis was running alongside the car.
"When [Scheffler] drove past him, the cop got very angry pursuing the car. … My impression was he was kind of running alongside chasing the car, and maybe he tripped and fell," Wischusen told the outlet. "I mean, there was kind of an outcropping or median, you know, by the front gate. And keep in mind, it was raining. It was 6 o’clock in the morning. It was dark."
When he was asked about Darlington stating that Gillis attached himself to Scheffler's car, Wischusen said "I could see him stumble, but I did not have a very clear view of exactly how you want to categorize his contact with the car."
Posted on 5/21/24 at 10:35 am to Witty_Username
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If I'm Scottie, there's no way I'm settling or admitting any guilt even for a lesser charge. Let the DA take this thing to trial. Judging by this pre-arraignment hearing, the prosecutor doesn't seem to be the brightest crayon. No way a jury convicts Scottie of any of this.
This is essentially what I said. Pay a traffic violation . . . not the same as pleading guilty to a charge. That’s the high-road here as it means no criminal charges for Scottie and the police get to save face by showing that there was a minor traffic violation.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 11:11 am to cptigger
quote:Especially since Scottie was in a marked courtesy car.
Even if he had no clue who Scottie is (which I don't believe) all it would have taken is two seconds to ask. Instead he "attaches himself" to the his car, whatever the hell that means and then proceeds to book him with a felony. He might not have known who Scottie was but he damn sure knew he wasn't some rando trying to run him over.
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Like many of the players, including Scheffler, Lee used a courtesy Lexus that many players used to drive each day to the course.
“I thought it was a little overreaction,” Lee said.
“I went around traffic, and I was following cars—a Lexus car that was one of the courtesy cars. A lot of people were doing it. He was in a courtesy car, too, so I don’t know what caused it. It was just more—there was no real meaning to it.”
Posted on 5/21/24 at 11:27 am to bstaceyau19
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The prosecutor is a disgrace. He actually claimed that Scottie Scheffler is not a name that is widely known.
Not a widely known name, but calls him by his nickname instead of his legal name, or even Mr. Scheffler. Wants Scottie treated like any other defendant, but argues that he shouldn't be treated like the Judge says she treats any other defendant, and again, calls him by his nickname. What a clown! If this is how Louisville operates, I hope the PGA TOUR and other major events avoid the area! Pretty sure the tourism revenue would be more appreciated elsewhere.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 3:20 pm to BigApple
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Detective Gillis stopped subject and attempted to give instructions.
WTF does this mean? How do you attempt to give instructions? Either you gave them or you didn't. Or you gave them so haphazardly or confusing that the person you're trying to instruct doesn't understand them. Maybe that's an "attempt?" That police report is so poorly written that it offers tons of insight into the type of person Scheffler was dealing with that morning.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 5:27 pm to ell_13
frick this cop and frick this prosecutor
Posted on 5/21/24 at 9:17 pm to BigApple
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So, when a cop jumps on your car to stop you, it’s perfectly fine to keep going and drag the cop along for the ride.
Got it !!!!
I’m waiting for the day that you finally say something semi intelligent. I’ll go out on a limb and say it never comes
Posted on 5/23/24 at 11:05 am to Witty_Username
I don’t think it goes to trial, but they will drag it out before dropping the charges or getting a plea deal. Rack up some court fees and fines to keep the lights on. One thing I gotta give Scottie credit for is how well he dealt with the situation. Pure class.
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