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Our pro asked me about changes to member guest
Posted on 9/24/18 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 9/24/18 at 7:49 pm
I said that the max strokes in a 9hole match should be 5.
No strokes given on par 3s or par 5s.strokes only given on par 4s.
I think this might clean up some of the hard core sandbagging. A 18 told me he shot 36 on 9 holes, unlikely. A scratch told me a guy he gave 7 shots to made 4 birdies in 9 holes.
I also suggested that a net eagle should not beat a birdie. Several of our best players do not play anymore.
Has anyone figured out how to make these events less oriented toward sandbaggers?
No strokes given on par 3s or par 5s.strokes only given on par 4s.
I think this might clean up some of the hard core sandbagging. A 18 told me he shot 36 on 9 holes, unlikely. A scratch told me a guy he gave 7 shots to made 4 birdies in 9 holes.
I also suggested that a net eagle should not beat a birdie. Several of our best players do not play anymore.
Has anyone figured out how to make these events less oriented toward sandbaggers?
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 7:52 pm to makersmark1
The best member guest formats I’ve seen are when the field is seeded by handicap into 5 or 6 team pods. Then you play round robin 9 hole matches with no strokes given. It really helps minimize sandbagging imo
Posted on 9/24/18 at 8:03 pm to icegator337
Eh, you still have people trying to get into certain flights. But it certainly gives them less of a chance. Sandbagging is rampant. I don’t know the last tournament where at least half of a few flights have players beat their hdcp on back to back days. Obviously less prevalent at the top, but those middle flights are shite to be in if you’re an honest person.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 8:21 pm to ell_13
No doubt you’ll still have ppl with a dishonest handicap trying to get into a lower flight. That’s just the best way to minimize it that I’ve personally seen. The committee should also reserve the right to give teams strokes if they suspect obvious sandbagging
Posted on 9/24/18 at 8:37 pm to icegator337
My flight seemed fine.
We had mostly very tight matches.
We beat the flight winner, but got beat by a team that finished behind us.
Our caps were fairly tight.
I did not see anyone play much better than their number. The high cap guys lost a sleeve a balls and had some good holes. The lowest cap guys played mostly on their numbers.
Other flights had some interesting results.
We had mostly very tight matches.
We beat the flight winner, but got beat by a team that finished behind us.
Our caps were fairly tight.
I did not see anyone play much better than their number. The high cap guys lost a sleeve a balls and had some good holes. The lowest cap guys played mostly on their numbers.
Other flights had some interesting results.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 8:47 pm to makersmark1
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 8:50 pm to makersmark1
For a M/G you have pretty good flexibility with the rules. You could go as far as “par is your friend” using only gross that way only birdies/eagles separate teams separated into flights by hdcp. That’s the extreme. And you could even change it between the types of games. For example, par for best ball and scramble, but bogey for Alt shot and combined. This helps the “worst” players/teams by far.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 10:55 pm to threeputt
Our member-member is in the stableford format with the adjustment, but the adjustment comes after the first 18 and is set for the next 18 holes.
How do you account for shotgun starts when you're adjusting handicaps after each 9 holes? Not everyone will have played the same holes when handicaps are adjusted.
How do you account for shotgun starts when you're adjusting handicaps after each 9 holes? Not everyone will have played the same holes when handicaps are adjusted.
This post was edited on 9/24/18 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 9/25/18 at 6:44 am to ell_13
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I don’t know the last tournament where at least half of a few flights have players beat their hdcp on back to back days
not to mention it tends to be the same few names every time
Posted on 9/25/18 at 8:07 am to makersmark1
Well, I'm poor and no one invites me to a M/G, so you people can do whatever you want 
Posted on 9/25/18 at 9:00 am to makersmark1
Got to look at degree of difficulty in shaving off strokes the closer you get to par. I mean a 10 shooting 78 isn’t insane. But a guy that says he normally doesn’t break 100 carding a round in the mid 80’s?
For example I got asked to play in a money game at Covington last fall. I was playing about a 14 at the time, and Covington is an easier track than my normal course, so i gave a 12 trying to be honest.
I made the turn at +1 and ended up shooting 81. Solid round for me by all accounts and not insane to think I picked up 3 strokes on the course. The guy that won said he was a 30 and shot 87. bullshite.
How do you stop it? I don’t know. Perhaps do a random 3 holes where you take the higher score? Don’t allow teams with greater than a 10 shot difference in handicap?
What’s within the realm of possibility for a high handicapper to catch a unicorn and throw up a low score?
For example I got asked to play in a money game at Covington last fall. I was playing about a 14 at the time, and Covington is an easier track than my normal course, so i gave a 12 trying to be honest.
I made the turn at +1 and ended up shooting 81. Solid round for me by all accounts and not insane to think I picked up 3 strokes on the course. The guy that won said he was a 30 and shot 87. bullshite.
How do you stop it? I don’t know. Perhaps do a random 3 holes where you take the higher score? Don’t allow teams with greater than a 10 shot difference in handicap?
What’s within the realm of possibility for a high handicapper to catch a unicorn and throw up a low score?
Posted on 9/25/18 at 9:05 am to makersmark1
Club has 5/6 flights with 5 teams in each. 9 hole matches, 80% net scoring, winner of each flight then play a sudden death to determine the overall winner.
IMO, within the flights, the #1 ranked team should get no strokes and +1 to every team after that. This would remove the disparity between players and reduce "sudden anomalies" of 9 handicaps shooting even par and waxing opponents. This rewards the #1 team for actually posting a number while pushing the higher ranked teams to perform but still giving them a little support.
I've heard of a really interesting format at a club in AZ. The day before the tourney starts you play 9 holes and that carries more weight than registered USGA index. They also have people on every green and tee box to make sure no BS is occurring.
IMO, within the flights, the #1 ranked team should get no strokes and +1 to every team after that. This would remove the disparity between players and reduce "sudden anomalies" of 9 handicaps shooting even par and waxing opponents. This rewards the #1 team for actually posting a number while pushing the higher ranked teams to perform but still giving them a little support.
I've heard of a really interesting format at a club in AZ. The day before the tourney starts you play 9 holes and that carries more weight than registered USGA index. They also have people on every green and tee box to make sure no BS is occurring.
This post was edited on 9/25/18 at 9:15 am
Posted on 9/25/18 at 9:37 am to Rendevoustavern
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 10:02 am to Rendevoustavern
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I've heard of a really interesting format at a club in AZ. The day before the tourney starts you play 9 holes and that carries more weight than registered USGA index. They also have people on every green and tee box to make sure no BS is occurring.
I feel like ppl would be more dishonest with this than anything else. Never make a putt you don't have to...
Posted on 9/25/18 at 1:25 pm to makersmark1
I absolutely agree with that
Posted on 9/25/18 at 4:01 pm to makersmark1
I don't know. I used to play in the club championship at our club and lost three years in a row to the same guy who went on to win it. Everyone knew he could shoot par or slightly better and each year he was rocking an 8 handicap. The club just always did a poor job assembling the handicaps on the players that they know.
Same club has a member guest that is 18 holes best ball and scramble the second day. They stupidly keep putting my handicap higher than my dad. last year they gave me an 6 or 7 and my dad a 7 or 8 and I shot 64 the first day. The truth is that I usually have a couple holes where my tee shots put me out of the hole and I was able to use both mulligans on those tee shots and put the next in play and went low.
When money is on the line, people always cheat. You can't stop it. I played in a tournament one year where I was one of 3 or 4 guys that was on the bubble for a flight and I told them to place me at the back of the better flight because I played awful. I didn't win but I did play much better the second day.
I've seen tournaments allow only so much improvement over handicap and then from day 1 to day 2.
Same club has a member guest that is 18 holes best ball and scramble the second day. They stupidly keep putting my handicap higher than my dad. last year they gave me an 6 or 7 and my dad a 7 or 8 and I shot 64 the first day. The truth is that I usually have a couple holes where my tee shots put me out of the hole and I was able to use both mulligans on those tee shots and put the next in play and went low.
When money is on the line, people always cheat. You can't stop it. I played in a tournament one year where I was one of 3 or 4 guys that was on the bubble for a flight and I told them to place me at the back of the better flight because I played awful. I didn't win but I did play much better the second day.
I've seen tournaments allow only so much improvement over handicap and then from day 1 to day 2.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 7:00 pm to makersmark1
Flight it after the tournament is complete.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 9:50 pm to Warfarer
quote:
I used to play in the club championship at our club and lost three years in a row to the same guy who went on to win it. Everyone knew he could shoot par or slightly better and each year he was rocking an 8 handicap.
Your club championship was a net event?
Posted on 9/25/18 at 9:59 pm to makersmark1
Handicap adjustments after each round. Whether that be 9 or 18 holes. 10 shot max stroke differential between team. Has to have a verified handicap-if not they must play with the pro twice before the tournament. He determines cap.
We did 32 teams. 6 flights of 6. They played 9 hole matches. 27 day one. 18 day 2. The winners of each flight played a shootout. Shootout started at 150 yards. Then 175. Then 200. If ties.
We never had one sandbagging comment at our MG.
We did 32 teams. 6 flights of 6. They played 9 hole matches. 27 day one. 18 day 2. The winners of each flight played a shootout. Shootout started at 150 yards. Then 175. Then 200. If ties.
We never had one sandbagging comment at our MG.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 10:03 pm to threeputt
We had a weekly roll over quota game. It was awesome. Max 3 pts adjustment
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