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Louisiana course expectations, complaints, and pricing:
Posted on 4/19/23 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 4/19/23 at 12:56 pm
I think some of you, Louisiana public course boys need to check yourself with regard to your complaints and expectations of the local courses.
I was inspired to write this by threads I’ve seen over the past six months, whether it’s the shitty greens and service at Beaver Creek or that some course in Covington now has the audacity to charge $65 for greens fees
Do you guys have any idea how expensive it is to maintain and operate a golf course? Do you have any idea what the current cost of labor is? The skyrocketing cost of fertilizer and chemicals?
I have friends in Texas, Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, California, Arizona, Virginia, etc … who pay anywhere between $600 and $1100 a month in private course dues. They have struggles at their courses at times.
I myself am a member at Watersound in the panhandle and right now Camp Creek is overrun with poa. St Joe has almost and unlimited budget to maintain that course.
Yet on here people seem to have an expectation that courses should be in tremendous condition in order to pay even $100 for a round.
I take my hat off to public entities like BREC or independent course owners, who manage to keep courses operating on such meager greens fees.
Louisiana is overall one of the worst states I have lived in with regard to quality courses. But a lot of that goes along with the amount of money that people are able to put into them. So until you’re willing to shell out some big bucks, quit complaining so much about the state of the courses.
I was inspired to write this by threads I’ve seen over the past six months, whether it’s the shitty greens and service at Beaver Creek or that some course in Covington now has the audacity to charge $65 for greens fees
Do you guys have any idea how expensive it is to maintain and operate a golf course? Do you have any idea what the current cost of labor is? The skyrocketing cost of fertilizer and chemicals?
I have friends in Texas, Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, California, Arizona, Virginia, etc … who pay anywhere between $600 and $1100 a month in private course dues. They have struggles at their courses at times.
I myself am a member at Watersound in the panhandle and right now Camp Creek is overrun with poa. St Joe has almost and unlimited budget to maintain that course.
Yet on here people seem to have an expectation that courses should be in tremendous condition in order to pay even $100 for a round.
I take my hat off to public entities like BREC or independent course owners, who manage to keep courses operating on such meager greens fees.
Louisiana is overall one of the worst states I have lived in with regard to quality courses. But a lot of that goes along with the amount of money that people are able to put into them. So until you’re willing to shell out some big bucks, quit complaining so much about the state of the courses.
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Posted on 4/19/23 at 1:05 pm to mule74
I live in Covington and am a member at CCC. It is a mess and a travesty that they charge more than $25/rnd.
I lived in Nashville and their public courses and state park courses would rival every private course in Louisiana.
Rarely a green fee with cart at $60+.
So yeah, Louisiana corruption and ridiculous taxes created the shite hole we live in. Public golf here sucks balls but it's all we got.
Diamondhead is the best value in my relative area.
I lived in Nashville and their public courses and state park courses would rival every private course in Louisiana.
Rarely a green fee with cart at $60+.
So yeah, Louisiana corruption and ridiculous taxes created the shite hole we live in. Public golf here sucks balls but it's all we got.
Diamondhead is the best value in my relative area.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 1:11 pm to MizunoDude
Around $60 in Hot Springs Village.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 1:11 pm to mule74
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Louisiana is overall one of the worst states I have lived in with regard to quality courses. But a lot of that goes along with the amount of money that people are able to put into them. So until you’re willing to shell out some big bucks, quit complaining so much about the state of the courses.
Some of the reason for that is the median household income here is about $54,000. That's probably bottom 5 in the country. Bottom line is baws in Louisiana are broke, so forking out $65 for 18 holes can be a strain.
This post was edited on 4/19/23 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 4/19/23 at 1:14 pm to TDTOM
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Around $60 in Hot Springs Village.
Sort of proves my point above. I think Arkansas has an even lower median household income. Hot Springs Village does benefit from the tourism aspect that a lot of courses in Louisiana do not, though.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 1:27 pm to mule74
I think a good number of people just really love to complain on golf courses. I played behind a group the other day and nobody in the 4some broke 100 yet they were in the pro shop after the round complaining about the tee boxes not being perfectly level on some holes and how they wouldn't be back. I just don't get some people.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 1:33 pm to mule74
I think the public aspect has more to do with lack of golf etiquette, no oversight, and poor employee work force.
The individuals playing shouldn’t get off the cart paths within 50 yards of the greens, avoid worn areas, fix pitch marks, sand divots, etc.
BREC, will always be here thanks to our crooked politicians, they can do whatever they want and you will like it. Very similar to our State Parks Department and Tourism Industry (both do very little for golf or outdoorsmen for that matter)
Golf courses both private and public can’t attract talented workers for what they can afford to pay them unless they are at one of the few nicer, high end private courses. You have to really want it and love golf and everything that comes with it (long hours, weather, dealing with the public/members, growing the game, etc). Most get washed out and turn to sales quickly.
The individuals playing shouldn’t get off the cart paths within 50 yards of the greens, avoid worn areas, fix pitch marks, sand divots, etc.
BREC, will always be here thanks to our crooked politicians, they can do whatever they want and you will like it. Very similar to our State Parks Department and Tourism Industry (both do very little for golf or outdoorsmen for that matter)
Golf courses both private and public can’t attract talented workers for what they can afford to pay them unless they are at one of the few nicer, high end private courses. You have to really want it and love golf and everything that comes with it (long hours, weather, dealing with the public/members, growing the game, etc). Most get washed out and turn to sales quickly.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 2:10 pm to mule74
Sir, this is a Subway.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 2:48 pm to Witty_Username
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Sort of proves my point above. I think Arkansas has an even lower median household income. Hot Springs Village does benefit from the tourism aspect that a lot of courses in Louisiana do not, though.
Arkansas has a much different topography than LA. A 60 dollar course in Arkansas might be much easier and cheaper to maintain than a 60 dollar course here.
ETA: I play with people all the time who complain about the condition of courses but treat it like absolute shite. The general public spends most their time watching Instagram videos of guys driving carts off cliffs, throwing empty beer cans everywhere, driving carts anywhere they want, not repairing divots or pitch marks etc.. Then they want to complain about conditions and pace of play.
This post was edited on 4/19/23 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 4/19/23 at 2:54 pm to MizunoDude
Nashville had such sweet public courses.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 2:59 pm to Swagga
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A 60 dollar course in Arkansas might be much easier and cheaper to maintain than a 60 dollar course here.
This right here, has to be hard to keep a playable course all year long in Louisiana with the heat and soil available.
I go to Iowa every summer and the regular old municipal course is always top notch with lush fairways. I'm guessing with Iowa's soil and climate that it is easier and cheaper to maintain a golf course that only gets play for a few months out of the year.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 3:01 pm to mule74
Golf is without a doubt one of those "you get what you pay for" types of things. I don't mind paying a pretty penny to a course that doesn't treat me like a bother when I call for a tee time or when I walk into the clubhouse. I can deal with a little bit of poa or some dead spots on the greens as I know it has to be difficult with Louisiana weather to maintain. I've played Webb plenty of times and while it doesn't look like Augusta National, the old farts out there never give me and my group a hard time so we enjoy ourselves.
We also respect the course and pace of play which may be why we don't get bothered. You'll never see me in the clubhouse complaining about the conditions of a course because I don't know the first damn thing about maintaining one and I also know there are assholes out there that destroy a course and they should never touch a golf club again.
We also respect the course and pace of play which may be why we don't get bothered. You'll never see me in the clubhouse complaining about the conditions of a course because I don't know the first damn thing about maintaining one and I also know there are assholes out there that destroy a course and they should never touch a golf club again.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 3:18 pm to Swagga
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Arkansas has a much different topography than LA
Ding Ding Ding. This is what people don't understand all golf courses are not built equally. Unless the course was built from scratch on or with a sand base with perfect water supply cost can be astronomical. I do a lot of work for a top 50 course in Texas and it is amazing they are as good as they are with the crap soil and water available. They succeed by spending a shitload on fertilizer and chemicals to treat the water. That comes with a cost and the complaints are slowly rolling in from the increases in pricing related to the increases in cost.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 7:57 pm to mule74
OP pretends that one can’t search golf courses on Golfnow for the entire country and compare to the shite we got down here.
Thanks for your thoughts, I guess.
Thanks for your thoughts, I guess.
This post was edited on 4/19/23 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 4/20/23 at 5:54 am to mule74
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Louisiana is overall one of the worst states I have lived in with regard to quality courses. But a lot of that goes along with the amount of money that people are able to put into them. So until you’re willing to shell out some big bucks, quit complaining so much about the state of the courses.
Does Mississippi not have the same labor and operation expenses as Slidell, Mandeville and Covington?
Posted on 4/20/23 at 7:24 am to LSUfan4444
Maybe lower col, hourly wages. Etc. also the MS green fees are much higher at public amd semi-private courses.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 1:42 pm to Bawpaw
I live in Mandeville now, I only wish St. Tammany Parish had something similar to BREC. The parish does not have 1 golf course here. Golf sucks here much more than other places.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 2:48 pm to Cool Hand Luke
St. Tammany has affordable private options. BR does not other than UClub which is overcrowded.
You are also very close to the hidden golf gem that is the Mississippi Gulf Coast.
You are also very close to the hidden golf gem that is the Mississippi Gulf Coast.
This post was edited on 4/20/23 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 4/20/23 at 2:54 pm to mule74
Ugh, Camp creek just reopened from a massive reno.
That course is perfect. Mentioning it in the same breath as the Louisiana courses you mentioned is a joke.
That course is perfect. Mentioning it in the same breath as the Louisiana courses you mentioned is a joke.
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