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re: Liv and PGA to merge

Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:06 am to
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104135 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:06 am to
This deal made a shite ton of sense for Jay and the saudis.

For the PGA tour players, and for LIv people that truly loved it and it’s awesomeness, they lose. Because the players missed out on money, and this new tour isn’t going to mimic LIv
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54691 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:07 am to
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Do you think going forward, the new tour will look like LIv or the PGA?
I imagine it will look like the a combination, but more closely the pga. Again, you have the mistaken belief that LIVs purpose was closely tied to its second rate tournaments. It’s purpose was for the PIF to be significantly involved with top level golf. It is the biggest winner in this without question.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104135 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:07 am to
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You think the "voting majority" is going to vote against the money? J
Dude, you said they bought the PGA. I’m telling you if they straight out bought the PGa, the governance structure would be completely different. That’s just a simple fact.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104135 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:08 am to
I think some separate the saudis from LIv, just like they separate Jay/management from the Tour players

The Saudi money and Jay were winners, LIv the league and the tour players were losers. That’s how most will objectively see this
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 11:09 am
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
7840 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:08 am to
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shite’s going to be interesting the next 3 or 4 months.


Onward to some real shitty golf!! Guys getting paid enormous amounts of money to play mediocre golf because it doesn't really matter who wins. Just one more sport ruined for me because of greed.
Posted by bstaceyau19
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2022
659 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:09 am to
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LIV is the PIF which now has a substantial interest in the highest level of golf world wide.


Yes, because the network people were fighting each other off for the opportunity to put LIV Golf on the air.

There is a reason why the best LIV could do was the CW, or that when they went to Fox and offered to buy time on the network Fox told them no. Their version of golf wasn't selling, hence why the Saudis agreed to this merger.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54691 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:11 am to
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Yes, because the network people were fighting each other off for the opportunity to put LIV Golf on the air.
Your previous comments showed a certain level of intelligence, but this one betrays it. It’s like you are intentionally missing the point and doubling down to prove it at the same time.
Posted by RedHawk
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
9256 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:13 am to
About the only idea that LIV brought to the table that I agree with, is that players should be allowed to wear shorts.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
65904 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:13 am to
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Phil is deleting some tweets from the last few weeks furiously right now


Phil knew this was coming so I doubt he has to backtrack on anything. Which tweets do you think he'll need to furiously delete?
Posted by Rendevoustavern
Member since May 2018
1697 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:14 am to
To be a fly on the wall in the players meeting today at 4pm. Can’t wait for the immediate reactions starting around 5pm.

Get your popcorn ready.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54691 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:15 am to
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To be a fly on the wall in the players meeting today at 4pm
someone is going to be pissed enough to have their phone recording the audio which hopefully leaks
Posted by bstaceyau19
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2022
659 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:17 am to
The big question is: will tournaments going forward be 72 holes with cuts, or 54 holes with no cuts? Or some combo of the 2?
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54691 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:19 am to
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Or some combo of the 2?
my guess. You will have something that resembles the current tour, with some type of team golf events scattered through the schedule that adopt a few of the LIV tour ideas. Whether 54 holes or 72 will probably be dictated by TV revenue.
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 11:20 am
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
8292 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:20 am to
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This deal made a shite ton of sense for Jay


Why?
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
7840 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:22 am to
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Phil knew this was coming so I doubt he has to backtrack on anything. Which tweets do you think he'll need to


I think both tours got skittish about Phil and Brandel wanting to have a live debate. On one hand I don't think the Saudis wanted Brandel exposing their "blood money" and Phil exposing the PGA tour having some Saudi money already flowing through it with sponsorships on live tv for all of the world to see. There may be some other things that neither want exposed as well. Who knows.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
38370 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:23 am to
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How do you figure?


As I've already said

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Hell, Greg Norman should even feel vindicated. In the 90's Norman pushed for something like this, a worldwide tour, and Arnold Palmer shut it down. He kept pushing for it and got hated on more than any person involved with LIV. He was bashed and called an idiot 10x as worse/more than Phil was, and Phil got the worst of it of the players. Norman was labeled a bozo by every one on here that hated LIV. Now he's the one that actually got what he wanted and pushed for all these years.


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He wanted the PGA Tour and all of the people who ran it out of the professional golf business as punishment for holding his career back. Not only is the PGA Tour still in business but it is propped up with millions of dollars from his business partners, and the people he wanted out of professional golf will now occupy a majority of the new governing board, with several other seats occupied by Saudis. I haven't seen any reports putting him on that board.

Sure, he got his money and the players will get the world tour he wanted for himself, but he won't get his revenge, which is all he really wanted.


You realize he came out and said he wanted LIV and the Tour to merge right? He got what he wanted and was right all along. The Tour that he was CEO of is taking a victory lap because they were right and in just a year and half or so the tour caved in to his league. In just a short time, Saudi has a major role, although not majority. And I personally think JM is a puppet, although that is pretty much impossible to know.

To think Phil is smiling and can take a victory lap (which is not even debatable, he is) and think Greg Norman, who was the one who got the thing started is a loser, doesn't make sense.



Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
65904 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:23 am to
Pride just kept getting worse the more I read this thread.

Dude thinks only the Wesley Bryans of the tour are pissed and not guys like Rickie and Hideki who chose PGAT loyalty over millions only to have the tour take that money themselves. What a fricking day this is!

Colin Morikawa doesn't seem thrilled, but maybe he's just a Wesley Bryan to pride?
Posted by MrSpock
Member since Sep 2015
4804 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:24 am to
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some type of team golf events scattered through the schedule that adopt a few of the LIV tour ideas.


I like the idea of a team concept. The names and execution need work.
Posted by blueboxer1119
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
9119 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:28 am to
Imagine turning down $100 million dollars to not join those "rebels" "funded by bad Saudis", just to have the leagues merge.

L
O
L
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54691 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:28 am to
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I like the idea of a team concept. The names and execution need work.
I love team golf, but there needs to be a better way of selecting the teams where fans are invested. Wholly manufactured teams don’t generate fan loyalty. Typically that loyalty comes from geography, but there could be some other way. Team captains with a draft might work. Teams sponsored by manufactures pitted against each other might work. I’m not sure, but generic team names and manufactured team affiliation doesn’t work for me.
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 11:29 am
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