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re: Denied, judge just ruled in the Tours favor being reported by the Golf Channel.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:43 am to lsufb1912
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:43 am to lsufb1912
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LIV players for wanting more $
Don't care about this either.
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It's impossible for some of you to take off your PGA glasses & have an open mind about this.
That is rich.
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Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:44 am to lsufb1912
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What if Talor Gooch wants to play 9 LIV events, 4 Majors, & 7 PGA events. your "self-ban" argument is stupid
Wouldn't he be required to play 15 PGA events? I never understood how anyone was going to be able to do both LIV and PGA unless they were just doing 1 off LIV events here and there.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:47 am to medtiger
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Hard to argue that you're being financially burdened by the suspension when that's the case.
the standard for getting the restraining order is irreparable harm, which means damages that can't be made up in dollars. pga essentially argued it's absurd to say the harm can't be measured in dollars when they were aware of the consequences if they jumped to liv but chose to do that for enormous amounts of money. liv never really had a chance to win this motion imo.
discovery will be interesting for sure. i'm super interested to see the liv contracts, which were apparently already filed with court under seal as part of the motion.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:48 am to lsufb1912
Doesn't the PGA tour require their members to play 15 events a year including majors? If so him playing only 7 regular tour events plus 4 majors doesn't keep him eligible. Thoae guys chose the LIV tour over the PGA, why should the PGA have to try and bend their criteria for them after that?
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:51 am to Shankapotamous
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Thoae guys chose the LIV tour over the PGA, why should the PGA have to try and bend their criteria for them after that?
This is what it has always been about to me. Go if you want to go. Just don't think you have a right to come back when you choose to.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:52 am to lsufb1912
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funny, y'all are excited to see LIV contracts while most are waiting to see the PGA Tour finally open their books.
I think it will be interesting to see discovery from both sides
Should answer a lot of the questions people have been arguing about for months, for better or worse
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:52 am to Shankapotamous
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Thoae guys chose the LIV tour over the PGA, why should the PGA have to try and bend their criteria for them after that?
Well their arguement is because it's anti competitive. We'll see if the court agrees.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:55 am to JScoop8
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Wouldn't he be required to play 15 PGA events? I never understood how anyone was going to be able to do both LIV and PGA unless they were just doing 1 off LIV events here and there.
To keep their tour cards, yes they have to play 15 events minimum unless they have obtained a lifetime exemption (see Phil's argument). However, I would presume those players are trying to play a handful of PGA Tour events on sponsors exemptions which wouldn't require that they have full tour membership.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:07 am to lsujro
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the standard for getting the restraining order is irreparable harm, which means damages that can't be made up in dollars. pga essentially argued it's absurd to say the harm can't be measured in dollars when they were aware of the consequences if they jumped to liv but chose to do that for enormous amounts of money. liv never really had a chance to win this motion imo.
I think it's also somewhat difficult to show irreparable harm for the purposes of a TRO when they can't prove they'd even earn any money by being able to play in the FedEx Cup playoffs. They're seeking relief based on an opportunity to earn a hypothetical undetermined sum of money (their winnings over the course of the Fed Ex Cup playoffs). And when they voluntarily left the PGA Tour, knowing the consequences, for what was presumably a larger sum of money than they possibly could have earned through the 2022 season on the PGA Tour and FedEx Cup playoffs, I think it hurts their argument of irreparable harm for the purposes of a TRO. I honestly think had they filed for this injunction prior to leaving the Tour, they might have had a better argument.
Nonetheless, it will be an interesting litigation, and I honestly don't know what the end result will be. One thing is for sure, though, a litigation like this may not be heard for a couple of years. I wouldn't put a lot of stock into the "it could go to trial next year" comment. It's theoretically possible but not highly likely IMO. Many times, it can take that long from the time all pre-trial stuff is complete just to get a trial date, and this would not be a short trial either.
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:13 am to lsufball19
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I think it's also somewhat difficult to show irreparable harm for the purposes of a TRO when they can't prove they'd even earn any money by being able to play in the FedEx Cup playoffs.
For the record, everyone in the playoffs earns money. There's a deferred payout to every player
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Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:16 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Well their arguement is because it's anti competitive. We'll see if the court agrees.
We'll see. I think it's going to be interesting to see how that argument goes when they're having no issue swooping up and buying players from the Tour. I don't believe not allowing players to play on both Tours is, in and of itself, an argument the PGA Tour is anti-competitive. I'm also not sure you can call the PGA Tour a monopoly for that reason and the presence of other Tours all over the world. Basically, how is the Tour preventing competition in the marketplace when LIV is having no issue signing players from the PGA Tour?
LIV's strongest anti-trust argument IMO is their allegation regarding the PGA Tour's pressuring sponsors, networks and others not to do business with LIV, not so much the Tour banning LIV players from playing on their Tour.
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 11:18 am
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:17 am to lsufball19
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LIV's strongest anti-trust argument IMO is their allegation regarding the PGA Tour's pressuring sponsors, networks and others not to do business with LIV.
This is exactly what I was going to bring up.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 2:11 pm to lsufball19
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LIV's strongest anti-trust argument IMO is their allegation regarding the PGA Tour's pressuring sponsors, networks and others not to do business with LIV, not so much the Tour banning LIV players from playing on their Tour
Every good Salesman does the exact same thing.
I purposely created programs for my customers that would block out and cost the customer valuable marketing funds to influence them from doing business with my competitors.
It's business.
If LIV has such a great product they should be willing and eager to stand on their own.
Filing numerous lawsuits is not building their brand.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 3:12 pm to bopper50
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Every good Salesman does the exact same thing.
I purposely created programs for my customers that would block out and cost the customer valuable marketing funds to influence them from doing business with my competitors.
It's business.
There's a difference in that and the PGA allegedly calling sponsors and threatening them not to do business with LIV, trying to collude with reps from the majors to block LIV players, etc. That may be business, but it also may be illegal business practice. Of course these are all just allegations right now, allegations the Plaintiffs are going to have to prove.
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If LIV has such a great product they should be willing and eager to stand on their own.
I haven't seen anything to show they aren't trying to stand on their own. That has nothing to do with what I said about the PGA Tour's exposure to violating anti-trust laws. You may not agree with the laws, and that's ok, but it doesn't sound like you understand them either. I can assure you a lay person can read some anti-trust laws and wonder why those practices would be illegal because they sound like "good business" moves.
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Filing numerous lawsuits is not building their brand.
LIV didn't file any lawsuit. Individual people who play on the LIV Tour did. And I don't see how this would hurt them building their brand especially if those guys prevail in their lawsuit against the PGA Tour.
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 8/10/22 at 3:18 pm to lsufball19
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it doesn't sound like you understand them either.
Indisputable
Posted on 8/10/22 at 5:35 pm to double d
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Heard on Katrek and Maginnis today that many of the younger LIV players won’t get prize money until they win the amount equal to their signing bonuses. Never heard that before.
Everything about LIV is going to turn out being 10x worse than it was first presented as
People think LIV is going to be on TV with no ads
Posted on 8/10/22 at 5:51 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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People think LIV is going to be on TV with no ads
Who thinks that?
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:57 pm to bopper50
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It's business.
The PGA Tour isn’t a business, it’s a charity. A 501c6 charity.
A charity isn’t supposed to be leveraging it’s donors to stifle competition.
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