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Tiger1242
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Bryson’s crazy custom driver vs his stats
So Bryson leads the tour in driving distance but according to the stats he’s only 3 yards longer than Rory who is number 2 and 8 yards longer than DJ who is number 7.

It’s easy to see why so many guys roll their eyes at Bryson’s swing out of his shoes antics, he’s hitting an extra long driver with like 5 degrees of loft and swinging completely out of his shoes, and he’s not even that much longer than guys like Rory and DJ who both swing a normal driver with 9-10.5 degree of loft and have an under control swing compared to Bryson.

I wonder how far DJ could hit the ball if he swung the way Bryson does and used the type of driver he uses?


CoachChappy
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re: Bryson’s crazy custom driver vs his stats
Golf channel replayed the 3M tournament from 2019. Bryson looked good at that weight. The over bulk looks ridiculous and is almost impossible for him to maintain.

He should worry about accuracy more than distance. (Shouldn’t we all?)

However, he is a major winner, so WTF do I know
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re: Bryson’s crazy custom driver vs his stats
I’ve said this a couple times when people get caught up in the bryson debate. What he’s doing makes no sense to me. He had plenty of distance and was playing great golf. Now he’s killing himself for minimal gains. The difference in 3-4 yards for these guys is minuscule. You would never see DJ trying something like what Bryson is doing.


It just makes absolutely no sense at all to me.


Tiger1242
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However, he is a major winner, so WTF do I know

No kidding, every time I see him do something absolutely crazy and bordering on stupid and I think “why the hell would he try that?”

Then I remember he won the US Open doing that crazy shite and I don’t question him quite as much
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EdOrgeronsChin
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I would argue that while he did win at Winged Foot, overall his long term performance will take a hit, simply because what he is doing in my opinion is not sustainable. Look at a guy like Morikawa over the same time frame. He is not a long ball hitter, but rather a strategist, and he has won 2 majors and double the tournaments that Bryson has in the same time frame. The guy is smart, no doubt, but he is misguided in his attempts to change the game of golf.


Tiger1242
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The difference in 3-4 yards for these guys is minuscule. You would never see DJ trying something like what Bryson is doing.

Well and furthermore looking at the stats it shows me that he really isn’t naturally that much of a bomber. He’s radically changed his swing and body in order to bomb the ball where as a guy like DJ just does it naturally. Bryson’s career will be an interesting one to follow, will he still be doing this in 8 years? Or is he going to revolutionize his game again once he gets older? I mean fricking Phil Mickelson isn’t that much shorter than Bryson and he’s 51 years old swinging the regular way


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Tiger1242
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I would argue that while he did win at Winged Foot, overall his long term performance will take a hit, simply because what he is doing in my opinion is not sustainable. Look at a guy like Morikawa over the same time frame. He is not a long ball hitter, but rather a strategist, and he has won 2 majors and double the tournaments that Bryson has in the same time frame.

I agree but there’s a huge caveat to this opinion. Would Bryson have won ANY majors if he hadn’t done this? It’s hard to know, Morikawa is a MUCH better golfer than Bryson. That’s why the US Open win is the huge hole in these criticisms (mine included). It’s not like he was the best in the world then he changed his swing, he was an above average tour player then he changed his swing and won the US Open, so maybe it’s working perfectly


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Mingo Was His NameO
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re: Bryson’s crazy custom driver vs his stats
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So Bryson leads the tour in driving distance but according to the stats he’s only 3 yards longer than Rory who is number 2 and 8 yards longer than DJ who is number 7.


Now go look at the stat that matters, strokes gained off the tee. Bryson is like a half shot a round better than them.

Driving distance is only measured on like 2 holes every tournemant.

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Look at a guy like Morikawa over the same time frame. He is not a long ball hitter, but rather a strategist, and he has won 2 majors and double the tournaments that Bryson has in the same time frame.


He's also arguably the best iron player since Tiger so I don't know why you are making the comparison. Being a flusher like Morikawa isn't something you can develop.


Any one that thinks what Bryson is doing isn't working has no idea what they're talking about. Just look on this site, he got dogged for playing like shite in the US Open and had a chance to win the thing at the turn on Sunday. His raised his floor to an incredibly high level, guess what, no one is going to be Tiger again and win 25% or more of the times they tee it up. But Bryson is putting himself in the conversation of the tournament nearly everytime he plays.
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re: Bryson’s crazy custom driver vs his stats
You’re comparing him to players who are naturally the longest hitters on tour. He’s done this to catch up to those guys. Compare him instead to what he was before… he’s gained 20+ yards in driving distance, not to mention distance on every club through the bag. He’s now likely hitting at least 2 clubs less into every par four. That’s an enormous statistical advantage.

I’m not a fan of the guy, but what he’s done, at least this far, has worked very well for him:

He’s gone from 14th in world rankings to 6th
He’s 4th on the money list with over 6.2 million in earnings this season
He’s 6th on the Fed Ex Cup list
He’s 4th in strokes gained total
Since his change, he’s won 3 tour events, including the US Open by 6 shots, the only player to break par on the historically most difficult US Open rota course.

Maybe he hurts himself, maybe what’s he’s done isnt sustainable. We don’t know. But in the meantime, he’s created generational wealth for himself and his family.



Tiger1242
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Yea I mean it’s hard to argue with any of that you’re right.


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re: Bryson’s crazy custom driver vs his stats
I’ve seen you post this and honestly it’s a bit ridiculous. The douche was a phenomenal golfer before his long drive approach came along. He was already a top 10 golfer and imo was getting better. The whole theory of hitting long in the rough and you’ll be closer from 100 yards than other guys will be at 150. Except if your Bryson, who’s a horrible wedge player. Possibly the worst wedge player out of any top golfer on tour. It makes zero sense to try and do what he’s doing snd can’t consistently hit it within 6-8 feet from 50-70 yards like the rest of the elite golfers. Like everyone is saying, he was good before all of this and getting better. I loved what the commentators from the Open said about him. They unleashed some honesty about him that seems nobody from the states would. Even Bryson said he was going to try and dial back his approach for speed and distance because he thought he kind of maxed out on it. But he hasn’t snd he isn’t playing consistent golf anymore.


Mingo Was His NameO
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re: Bryson’s crazy custom driver vs his stats
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The douche was a phenomenal golfer before his long drive approach came along.


And now he's way better

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He was already a top 10 golfer


No he wasn't

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Possibly the worst wedge player out of any top golfer on tour


Positive stokes gained approaching the green

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It makes zero sense to try and do what he’s doing snd can’t consistently hit it within 6-8 feet from 50-70 yards like the rest of the elite golfers


Literally not one single player does this

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But he hasn’t snd he isn’t playing consistent golf anymore


Lol


RawDog7984
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re: Bryson’s crazy custom driver vs his stats
I don’t really disagree with you but, he was a young snd upcoming playing and was projecting upward as he was. The guy drives it longer than any of us can dream. He’s also…

196th I’m proximity to the hole
114 SG around the Green
193rd in driving accuracy
78th in greens in regulation

The guy is and was a phenomenal golfer. If he quit trying to drive it 400 yards and spend that time becoming a good wedge player then i think the results would be even better.


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greenwave
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The changes are working for him but he's still a clown.


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RawDog7984
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re: Bryson’s crazy custom driver vs his stats
Lol, you don’t think players on tour can consistently hit it within 6-8 feet from 50-70 yards? Are you a midget and mentally disabled?


Mingo Was His NameO
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re: Bryson’s crazy custom driver vs his stats
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Lol, you don’t think players on tour can consistently hit it within 6-8 feet from 50-70 yards? Are you a midget and mentally disabled?


Average proximity from that distance for the 2021 season is 16 feet and number one on Tour is 8'3 so, no, I don't think they cant. I know they can't.

Still crazy to me that people talk completely out of their arse and call other people stupid on stats that are verifiable in like 5 seconds.
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RawDog7984
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re: Bryson’s crazy custom driver vs his stats
So the best on tour is 8’. So 6-8 feet doesn’t count for 8’? Like i said, the best wedge players on tour are consistently(consistent doesn’t mean every shot midget) around that distance. Bryson is literally the longest driver on tour and190th in proximity to the hole. He’s actually near the bottom on tour in that category.


PacWilly
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re: Bryson’s crazy custom driver vs his stats
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Maybe he hurts himself, maybe what’s he’s done isnt sustainable. We don’t know. But in the meantime, he’s created generational wealth for himself and his family.


This is what I have to remind myself about Bryson. I don’t think what he is doing is sustainable, but maybe this was the only way to put himself in position to win at all. Even if not sustainable, he saw his shot, took his shot and succeeded.


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Mingo Was His NameO
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re: Bryson’s crazy custom driver vs his stats
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So the best on tour is 8’


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It makes zero sense to try and do what he’s doing snd can’t consistently hit it within 6-8 feet from 50-70 yards like the rest of the elite golfers


You moved the goalposts because you were wrong.

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Bryson is literally the longest driver on tour and190th in proximity to the hole. He’s actually near the bottom on tour in that category.


Brysons not a good a very good wedge player, but that has nothing to do with you pulling factually incorrect stats out of your arse and then calling other people stupid.


Tiger1242
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re: Bryson’s crazy custom driver vs his stats
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Bryson is literally the longest driver on tour and190th in proximity to the hole. He’s actually near the bottom on tour in that category.


Yes but the closer he gets to the hole off the tee the closer his average distance to hole after approach is which is why he’s doing this.

Another way to say it, yes he’s one of the worst wedge players of all of the elite guys, but he’s better with his wedges than he is with his irons, so he’d rather hit a wedge
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