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Posted by Shankarooski1829
Port Al
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 9/18/18 at 8:20 pm to
What should golf courses charge to be considered “nice”?

Any idea what it costs to maintain a golf course in great condition?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87254 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 8:33 pm to
Depends on your definition of it. “Nice” isn’t objective.

As for your second question, depends on how much management is overpaid.
Posted by Shankarooski1829
Port Al
Member since Feb 2015
25 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 8:44 pm to
It seems most people on here expect private club amenities, and course conditions on a municipal budget.

People in Baton Rouge or Louisiana for the most part have no appreciation for golf. You have 25-30 primo golf course in the state. Compared to just the Birmingham area where 30 courses in the metro area out of 35 are perfect. People there care about golf. They also hunt, fish, have college football, etc. just like Louisianaians.

Just my opinion. I have lived in multiple states in the south and Louisiana and Mississippi are the worst golf states in the southeast. People simply to not appreciate golf, have the time or money for it.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
34106 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 8:48 pm to
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Just my opinion. I have lived in multiple states in the south and Louisiana and Mississippi are the worst golf states in the southeast. People simply to not appreciate golf, have the time or money for it.




Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37514 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 8:58 pm to
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Compared to just the Birmingham area where 30 courses in the metro area out of 35 are perfect.


There is way more wealth in Birmingham than anywhere in Louisiana save Ruston if we're talking about towns/cities as a whole.
Posted by Shankarooski1829
Port Al
Member since Feb 2015
25 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 9:07 pm to
There is plenty of money in Louisiana. My point is that people in Louisiana do not care to spend their money on golf. They do not care about it as much as other places in the south.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37514 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 9:12 pm to
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There is plenty of money in Louisiana


It's the poorest or 2nd poorest state in the union yearly. There isn't enough money in one place to have alot of good courses and the tax base isn't near large enough to have really nice munis.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 10:24 pm to
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It's the poorest or 2nd poorest state in the union yearly.


But the high end, old money wealth you were referring to exists in LA in the same proportion as AL.

shite. 1/5th of the Stanford Group’s asset losses were from the BR area alone.

The difference is the interest in golf is just not the same here among similar populations like it is in MS, AL, GA, SC.

Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37514 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:21 am to
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But the high end, old money wealth you were referring to exists in LA in the same proportion as AL.



No it doesn't and it's not centralized in a small enough area even if it did.
Posted by MC5601
Tyler, Texas
Member since Jan 2010
4247 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 12:54 pm to
quote:

It seems most people on here expect private club amenities, and course conditions on a municipal budget.

People in Baton Rouge or Louisiana for the most part have no appreciation for golf. You have 25-30 primo golf course in the state. Compared to just the Birmingham area where 30 courses in the metro area out of 35 are perfect. People there care about golf. They also hunt, fish, have college football, etc. just like Louisianaians.

Just my opinion. I have lived in multiple states in the south and Louisiana and Mississippi are the worst golf states in the southeast. People simply to not appreciate golf, have the time or money for it.



25-30 primo courses in the ENTIRE STATE? No way. Baton Rouge has one public course that is good. New Orleans has 3-4. At best there are 15 good courses in the state that the public can play

Aside from that - this is pretty ridiculous. Why is The Bluffs #4?

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/louisiana-best-in-state-rankings
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87254 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 12:59 pm to
quote:

there are 15 good courses in the state that the public can play
It doesn't look like he specified public only courses.
quote:

Aside from that - this is pretty ridiculous. Why is The Bluffs #4?
Lazy editors/journalists.
Posted by icegator337
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2013
3706 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:13 pm to
quote:

There is way more wealth in Birmingham than anywhere in Louisiana save Ruston if we're talking about towns/cities as a whole.

the Ruston throw in really made me lol
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
77947 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:56 pm to
quote:

The difference is the interest in golf is just not the same here among similar populations like it is in MS, AL, GA, SC.



Any correlation with that and nascar popularity in those aforementioned states of MS, AL, GA, SC?

Seems like all those states also like nascar, which never really took off in Louisiana.
Posted by Front9Bandit
Member since Dec 2013
15432 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:53 pm to
quote:

Any idea what it costs to maintain a golf course in great condition?


70-110K a month depending on weather
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
31359 posts
Posted on 9/23/18 at 3:07 pm to
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What should golf courses charge to be considered “nice”

It’s not just about the price point. This morning I played Carter Plantation for $59. I could’ve played Oak Knoll for $56.

Carter at that price point is doable and an enjoyable experience. Oak Knoll is a joke at that price point. You can get the hot deal for $15. Now it’s a 1:00 tee time, but it’s absurd to think anyone is paying what I consider a premium green fee for Oak freakin Knoll.

Pricing for golf is a tough deal. I don’t mind paying $50-$60 for a round at Carter. It’s generally in good shape and that price point keeps most of the riff raff away. Personally I love the layout.

You know what you’re getting at certain price points. >$50 I’m expecting a course that’s well maintained and an enjoyable experience. That $30-50 range is a toss up. You can get on at someplace like Covington CC which is really hit or miss, or Santa Maria which has a fantastic layout but every 40 handicapper in Baton Rouge will our there with you. Less than $30 is what you do just when you need to swing the clubs. I’m not worried about what I shoot at shitty courses.
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