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re: Bluffs Facing Uncertain Future
Posted on 9/16/18 at 5:54 pm to The Johnny Lawrence
Posted on 9/16/18 at 5:54 pm to The Johnny Lawrence
Exactly. Do we think memberships at UClub, BRCC and CCL would get cheaper if there were less public courses? Ridiculous
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Posted on 9/16/18 at 6:06 pm to The Johnny Lawrence
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So you're saying if BREC didn't have two really nice golf courses that can be played for reasonable prices and a few OK golf courses that can be played for cheap, BR would have a better golf market?
BREC doesn’t have two really nice courses. If you think Santa Maria and Beaver Creek are really nice then you don’t play golf much outside of Louisiana. The rest are not ok they are goat ranches. Webb, Dumas, Clark, City Park (and even LSU) are not ok courses. That is way too much crappy golf for one area.
Mississippi and Alabama have far superior golf than us. People would kill them selves if they had to play BREC courses in those states and we call them really nice and ok.
This post was edited on 9/16/18 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 9/16/18 at 6:17 pm to lsu13lsu
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BREC doesn’t have two really nice courses. If you think Santa Maria and Beaver Creek are really nice then you don’t play golf much outside of Louisiana. The rest are not ok they are goat ranches. Webb, Dumas, Clark, City Park (and even LSU) are not ok courses. That is way too much crappy golf for one area.
Mississippi and Alabama have far superior golf than us. People would kill them selves if they had to play BREC courses in those states and we call them really nice and ok.
I totally agree with this.
Posted on 9/16/18 at 8:01 pm to The Johnny Lawrence
I played the Bluffs for the first time about 2 months ago. I was so mad i paid good money to play that course. One hole was like a par 5 that they cut down to a par 3 and the hole was like the size of a frisbee. The best part about the round was lunch at the Francis. I will never go back to that place.
Posted on 9/16/18 at 8:13 pm to MidgetGolfer
Not arguing that Santa Maria and Beaver Creek are top of the line golf courses. But I can't remember the last time I paid more than $60 to play either of them.
Do I think there are too few golf courses in Baton Rouge, absolutely. Could the golf courses stand an upgrade or to be nicer, sure. Just can't figure out how this is a BREC problem or how BREC caused the problem.
This is the equivalent of saying we don't have enough nice
Do I think there are too few golf courses in Baton Rouge, absolutely. Could the golf courses stand an upgrade or to be nicer, sure. Just can't figure out how this is a BREC problem or how BREC caused the problem.
This is the equivalent of saying we don't have enough nice
Posted on 9/16/18 at 8:56 pm to The Johnny Lawrence
It is a BREC problem because of basic economics. Supply and Demand. They keep the number of golf courses too high and there isn’t enoufh demand to warrant further investment into them or new better ones. Also because they are subsidized by the tax payers they can keep prices too low making it harder for places like the Bluffs to compete. The Bluffs would be a primo spot if the economics were right. But having Beaver there charging artificially low prices all these years has killed places like the Bluffs.
I have no issue with BREC but they probably need two less courses than they currently have. Meaning get rid of Clark and City Park. Invest into the remaining ones plus added revenue at the others due to no longer having Clark and City Park as options. Dumas could easily absorb Clark golfers and Webb could easily absorb City Parks.
I have no issue with BREC but they probably need two less courses than they currently have. Meaning get rid of Clark and City Park. Invest into the remaining ones plus added revenue at the others due to no longer having Clark and City Park as options. Dumas could easily absorb Clark golfers and Webb could easily absorb City Parks.
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:16 pm to lsu13lsu
So you think closing two BREC courses, Clark and City, which cost about $9 to play, would increase play at the Bluffs? Are you really complaining that golf in BR is subsidized?
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:20 pm to The Johnny Lawrence
I am not complaining that it is subsidized. As I said there should be some municipal golf courses but the number we have? No way. Too many for our area. No reason Clark and City Park should be open.
This post was edited on 9/16/18 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:26 pm to lsu13lsu
So you think closing a BREC course or two would impact the Bluffs?
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:28 pm to The Johnny Lawrence
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So you think closing two BREC courses, Clark and City, which cost about $9 to play, would increase play at the Bluffs?
I think the overall health of golf in our area would improve with a few less BREC courses. I cannot predict which courses will benefit. Maybe the Bluffs. But maybe Dumas will benefit and get nicer and generate more revenue. Maybe Webb will generate more revenue. Maybe it then makes sense to make Santa Maria and Beaver even nicer on a level of RTJ courses then Dumas on a level where Beaver is now. I believe less BREC courses would mean better golf for BR Area.
This post was edited on 9/16/18 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:33 pm to lsu13lsu
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Santa Maria and Beaver even nicer on a level of RTJ courses
You do realize the weather is so so much better for those courses right?
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:34 pm to lsu13lsu
I can see where your coming from, but I disagree, to an extent. I'd have to check the BREC numbers, but if the golf course is breaking even, or close to it, leave it open.
Closing courses just increases the play on the others, which means more wear and tear and more difficulty getting tee times.
Closing courses just increases the play on the others, which means more wear and tear and more difficulty getting tee times.
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:36 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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You do realize the weather is so so much better for those courses right?
Care to explain a little further?
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:40 pm to The Johnny Lawrence
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I can see where your coming from, but I disagree, to an extent. I'd have to check the BREC numbers, but if the golf course is breaking even, or close to it, leave it open. Closing courses just increases the play on the others, which means more wear and tear and more difficulty getting tee times.
The last numbers presented, no BREC course made money. As far as wear and tear courses all over the country get double the play Baton Rouge courses get. So not sure why wear and tear will be an issue. As far as tee times go the courses have plenty of room now. I passed by Webb today and it was empty. Beaver is regularly wide open. Same for Dumas. There is plenty of room for more golfers on our courses. I have heard Santa Maria is full on Saturdays but open most other days. I don’t pass it so cannot confirm that.
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:42 pm to lsu13lsu
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Care to explain a little further?
The weather in South Louisiana is far from optimal for golf courses. Many of the courses on the RTJ are in locations where it's much easier to get cultivate primo golf conditions.
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:44 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I know of four in south Alabama that I have played. Two in mobile and two in Fairhope. They are in great shape every time I go. The weather there is same as here. Golf in southern Mississippi is fantastic. I am not sure what you mean but golf in BR isn’t bad because of the weather.
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:47 pm to lsu13lsu
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. I am not sure what you mean but golf in BR isn’t bad because of the weather.
That's not what i said, I was addressing a specific comment you made. I'm not going to argue with you about it, but the conditions in Mobile and Baton Rouge as far and soil, weather, growing conditions, etc aren't very similar at all.
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:55 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Santa Maria and Beaver Creek seem to have the weather and soil figured out now. They are in very good shape.
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:58 pm to lsu13lsu
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Santa Maria and Beaver Creek seem to have the weather and soil figured out now. They are in very good shape.
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BREC doesn’t have two really nice courses. If you think Santa Maria and Beaver Creek are really nice then you don’t play golf much outside of Louisiana
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Posted on 9/16/18 at 10:02 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
A course can be in good shape and not be a great course. Architecturally Beaver Creek cannot compete with CCL for instance. Architecture is just one example but there are others. Green complexes, club house, sand traps, water hazzards and on and on.
A course can be what it is but be well maintained. There are nine hole courses that have great turf (ie good shape) but they are a nine hole course.
A course can be what it is but be well maintained. There are nine hole courses that have great turf (ie good shape) but they are a nine hole course.
This post was edited on 9/16/18 at 10:04 pm
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