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re: Ball Rollback For All - USGA/R&A
Posted on 12/5/23 at 11:27 am to Swagga
Posted on 12/5/23 at 11:27 am to Swagga
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These guys are still going to overpower places like royal Liverpool whether they hit it 315 or 325.
It's 2023. The best ball strikers are hitting 350+ consistently especially on a links course with no wind
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:49 pm to wutangfinancial
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It's 2023. The best ball strikers are hitting 350+ consistently especially on a links course with no wind
Tiger smacked one 370 this past week.
It's was definitely the ball.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:11 pm to jimjackandjose
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Wonder how much distance this cuts off mid handicappers
I'm a mid handicapper and distance is not my problem
Posted on 12/5/23 at 3:40 pm to MrSpock
Tiger was also quoted this week saying his swing speed is down from when he first came on tour but his driving distance is up. It;s a combination of the ball and the trampoline effect of the drivers. They've already limited the drivers, ball is all the have left.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:23 pm to BigNastyTiger417
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5-10 yards is the speculation.
That’s a club length for most amateurs in scoring irons.
That’s a big deal.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 8:19 pm to elprez00
I’ve been hitting Kirkland balls. So the roll back shouldn’t have any impact to my game I suppose.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 8:59 pm to Shankapotamous
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They've already limited the drivers
Yeah now they have, after massive changes in tech. They could dial drivers back down to where they were in the mid 90s without tinkering with the ball which will have an effect on every club in the bag. And if they want to address ball changes, make the pros use balata balls. I don’t think distance is necessarily the problem. It’s that tech is so advanced now that they’re not penalized for miss hits
This post was edited on 12/6/23 at 12:30 am
Posted on 12/6/23 at 11:56 am to lsufball19
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I don’t think distance is necessarily the problem. It’s that tech is so advanced now that they’re not penalized for miss hits
Kind of a chicken or egg problem... guys can swing much harder generating more ball speed because the ball and driver technology makes it generate less side spin
Posted on 12/6/23 at 12:25 pm to jimjackandjose
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I’ve been hitting Kirkland balls.
This was my response to this whole thing. Now everyone will have to play the Kirkland balls. They don't go as far, but it's not like I don't enjoy the game as much when playing with Kirklands.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 12:56 pm to lsufball19
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It’s that tech is so advanced now that they’re not penalized for miss hits
A telling sign of the need to do something was Bryson talking about how much he loves his new driver because he can hit it anywhere on the face and it will still go far. There should probably be some negatives that occur with a poor strike.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 4:05 pm to DestrehanTiger
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Bryson talking about how much he loves his new driver because he can hit it anywhere on the face and it will still go far.
The difference is that when the pros say “hit it all over the face”, they’re talking about a space the size of a half dollar. Taylormade asked Tiger to hit one off the heel and he said it was way off the heel but I would’ve considered it to be almost center face.
I’m a single-digit and consider an almost shank to be a heel strike
This post was edited on 12/6/23 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 12/6/23 at 4:12 pm to Tyga Woods
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Taylormade asked Tiger to hit one off the heel and he said it was way off the heel but I would’ve considered it to be almost center face.
Tiger Woods is arguably the best ball striker of all-time. I saw the video you are talking about and even the other pros laughed when he said that. And hitting the ball in the center of the clubface is only part of the equation of executing a shot. Controlling spin and launch angle are very important as well. Now, the tech can do a lot of that for them
Not to mention, when you’re Bryson with 190+ ball speed, hitting it slightly off center is a lot more detrimental than a normal golfer, which is kind of the point. That should be the risk/reward of trying to play that game. Make him play a ball that spins a lot and/or a club that doesn’t forgive much and he’s going to think twice about playing that way. Taking 10 yards of distance off a 360 yard drive isn’t going to do that. And taking 5-10 yards off scoring irons is going to affect amateurs a lot more than pros
This post was edited on 12/6/23 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:14 pm to lsufball19
Agreed with this. Making the risk reward part of the long game actually exist is more fun than just trying to make everyone shorter
This approach basically still puts no risk on the plate and the long hitters are still going to be long hitters.
This approach basically still puts no risk on the plate and the long hitters are still going to be long hitters.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 10:20 pm to jimjackandjose
If this change doesn’t bring fairway hazards back into play, then it will be a failure.
Plus the added benefit of pissing off a bunch people who think they will lose more than they actually will. A well struck shot will go about where you want. No ball will fix the opposite.
Plus the added benefit of pissing off a bunch people who think they will lose more than they actually will. A well struck shot will go about where you want. No ball will fix the opposite.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 6:24 am to FOBW
Saw on Instagram lastnight that the PGA tour is saying they do not support the roll back. Wonder if they’ll say we are going to play the current ball. That would create quite a mess for the manufacturers.
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 6:27 am
Posted on 12/7/23 at 7:39 am to FOBW
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Plus the added benefit of pissing off a bunch people who think they will lose more than they actually will. A well struck shot will go about where you want. No ball will fix the opposite.
The angry people should be happy. They now have an excuse when their well struck drive only goes 220. "God damn new balls are costing me 50 yards"
Posted on 12/7/23 at 8:06 am to Swagga
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Wonder if they’ll say we are going to play the current ball. That would create quite a mess for the manufacturers.
It would also create problems for the players when they have to play the USGA balls at majors. I think the Tour has no choice but use whatever ball is deemed conforming.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:58 pm to Tyga Woods
Golf is hard.
Not sure why they want to change it to make it harder.
A very tiny fraction of the golf world has too much distance.
Could the older course bring in some novel hazards to combat “distance” from these extremely talented, rare players?
Is there a way to create temporary ponds where some bunker are for the tournament weeks?
Not sure why they want to change it to make it harder.
A very tiny fraction of the golf world has too much distance.
Could the older course bring in some novel hazards to combat “distance” from these extremely talented, rare players?
Is there a way to create temporary ponds where some bunker are for the tournament weeks?
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:13 pm to makersmark1
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Not sure why they want to change it to make it harder. A very tiny fraction of the golf world has too much distance. Could the older course bring in some novel hazards to combat “distance” from these extremely talented, rare players?
Is 5 yards going to make a difference? I’d figure hitting fairways and greens, and improving your short game would be more important.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:26 pm to MikeD
The issue is we are saying 5 to 10 yds but we really don't know what the outcome to a mid handicapper game will be until we have to use the ball.
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