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re: 13 hdc. 3 wood

Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:18 am to
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:18 am to
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Or he simply doesn’t hit it straight off the tee. Which most weekend golfers don’t do consistently.




280 crooked, a chip out, hit the green, and average less than two putts is still better than a 14 handicap. He can play the tips at almost any golf course and never have more than like an 8 iron in.
Posted by RawDog7984
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:18 am to
Not all fairways missed result in a chip out. Between hazards and OB it’s just not as simple as people are making this so called “formula”.
Posted by FOBW
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:41 am to
Most Golfers: once a decade, catches a drive a little thin, gets a forward kick off a rock hard fairway, ball rolls + 30 of any drive he has ever had in his life.

They include that +30 anytime anyone asks about their distance. Forever.
Posted by makersmark1
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:10 am to
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Most Golfers: once a decade, catches a drive a little thin, gets a forward kick off a rock hard fairway, ball rolls + 30 of any drive he has ever had in his life.


But this is TD golf board. Most of these 300 plus average drives are after a soaking rain, into a 20mph wind, slightly uphill, on a very cool day. I mean one guy gets it out to 365 every now and again.

I actually believe these bombers because they don’t claim to be scratch or even low single digits. I do have a bomber friend who crushes most drives 30 to 50 yards past even my best drive, but he 3 putts a good bit so his index is about the same as mine. It’s still fun to see a golf ball explode off the club face when he swings instead of the soft sound it makes when I brush it off the tee to 197 carry and rollout to 219.

I wish I could hit the ball that good. Put me down as jealous.

I shot some sort of modified AR golf ball machine gun about 420 at a scramble. By far my longest “drive” ever. It was fun to see a ball fly that far and straight.
Posted by mikedatyger
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:26 am to
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Quit believing the internet

FROM GOLF DIGEST ...
"Breaking it down in two divisions -- age and handicap -- here are the median driving distances from golfers across the world:



At its core, the median driving distance is 219.55 yards. Other club distances of note: the median 3-wood goes 186.89 yards, 7-iron clocks in at 133.48 yards and pitching wedge at a 73.97 mark. For what it's worth, golfers find the fairway 46.46 percent of the time."
Posted by malvin
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:45 am to
Count me in the 5-10 hdcp 30-40 age range. I hit my 3 iron 230
Posted by mikedatyger
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:54 am to
I know these are "median" numbers, but I do not believe age or handicap play as much into distance. It's all math – ball speed / launch angle / backspin. I think (I know) 20 hdcp guys that bomb it. I know 5 handicap guys that are in the 250 range. Certainly better players will hit the ball on the center of the club face more consistently, giving them better odds at catching one for big numbers.
3 iron 230? You play a different game my friend. My 3-wood is my 230 club.
Posted by makersmark1
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 12:01 pm to
The data is the data.

I’m sure there are many outliers.
Would need 2 standard deviation brackets to find them.

So 220 average. Some outliers will be 180 and some will be 260 plus. 345 for a high handicapper would be a black swan type outlier.

Anybody average about 220 per drive?

I’m probably right at the average when I consider every tee shot. I can only reach one par 5 at our course and it is fairly short at 454 yards. I can’t reach any of the others which are longer. Sometimes I hit it less than 220 especially if it is Wet, uphill or into a breeze! I rarely hit a ball 250+. When I do, it’s exciting. When I come over the top, it’s in the trees and much shorter than 220.
Posted by dirtytigers
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 12:24 pm to
I mean someones build is going to have a lot to do with the data too. Im around a 12 handicap and average about 275 compared to my cousin who is a scratch player and averages 250. Hes way better than me but Ive got 6 inches and 50 pounds on him
Posted by mikedatyger
Orlandeaux, FL
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 1:43 pm to
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Anybody average about 220 per drive?

Average 236 carry, 262 total distance, during my last fitting.
Not bad for an old fart!
Posted by makersmark1
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 1:47 pm to
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Hes way better than me but Ive got 6 inches and 50 pounds on him


When you get your short game sharp, you will be better than him.

Talent is God given. I can’t practice enough to increase my average drive to 275. I might could increase it 10 or 15 yards to 240 or so on average with a lot of discipline and range work, but my body is aging faster than I want it to so I may need to move up a tee to hit more short irons and wedges.

You can putt better IF you practice 4 to 6 footers twice a week. You can do it! I need to do that more as well. We can all save more shots from 50 yards in than from the tee.

Then when you drop those BOMBS, people will know it’s eagle or birdie on every par 5!
Posted by makersmark1
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 1:52 pm to
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I hit my 3 iron 230


I don’t carry a 3 iron. I carry a 3,5, and 7 wood.
For 230, I’d use a 3 wood and hope I caught it thin and it was downhill on a dry day to have a chance!

I thought I was just playing with some big hitters, but now I know I’m a short hitter.
Posted by The Rodfather
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 2:13 pm to
I'm currently around a 10 handicap, at my best my index was 6.3.

My distances are as follow (driver is total distance, but the others are carry, I have a lot of spin and get no more that 3-4 yards of roll-out with my 3 wood. I typically get around 2 yards with my 5 wood into a green):

Driver: 320 yards
3 Wood: 270 yards
5 Wood: 250 yards
4 Iron: 225 yards
5 Iron: 215 yards
6 Iron: 205 yards
7 Iron: 195 yards
8 Iron: 180 yards
9 Iron: 170 yards
PW: 155 yards
52°: 135 yards
56°: 125 yards
60°: 100 yards

My driver swing speed is 122-125 mph. I have always been able to hit the ball long, I just have never made enough of an effort to get consistent. My short game will be on fire and I can't hit long irons or drive worth a shite; then my long irons and driver will be on and my short game goes to shite.

Great example of my inconsistency was a few years back playing at Kelly Plantation in Destin. My front 9 was 8 over and back 9 I was even (two under after 10, 11, 12, 13), to finish the round at 8 over. And last year I was 3 under after 4 at CCL, then blew up big time on 5, and finished 4 over on the front.

My point is, there are plenty of long hitters out there, and being long off the tee doesn't mean you are a good golfer or a liar. It just means that you are long off the tee.
Posted by mikedatyger
Orlandeaux, FL
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 2:21 pm to
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My point is, there are plenty of long hitters out there, and being long off the tee doesn't mean you are a good golfer or a liar. It just means that you are long off the tee.

Well said.
Posted by The Rodfather
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 2:24 pm to
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I can only reach one par 5 at our course and it is fairly short at 454 yards. I can’t reach any of the others which are longer.


When I played in High School I could reach (from the tees they had us playing) at least one par 4 per 9 with my driver and every par 5 in 2. That is to say it was possible, not that I actually did it. I have only hit maybe 2-3 par 4 greens off the tee, normally I was all around the green and should have used an iron off the tee.

I remember getting on the green from the tee at Dumas once, then 3 putted for par. It was glorious.

If you have ever played at CCL, I can't use my driver or 3 wood on number 8 unless I am playing from the bears (tips) then I can pull the 3 wood. Otherwise I will roll it into the creek.

My length is probably one of the biggest flaws in my game. It is hard to be on a 340 yard par 4 and say "let me hit the 4i or 5w and give myself a solid 100 yards in" when the devil on the other shoulder is saying "pull the driver, rip it as hard as you can, and get on the green you got this". That normally ends up OB or under a tree and cursing the second impact is made.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 4:38 pm
Posted by The Rodfather
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 2:28 pm to
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Well said.


I have been dealing with this my whole life. The absolute best benefit of being a long hitter is that after being called a liar, people tell you to prove it. I tell them if they want me to prove it, they need to take me to play. I have gotten so many free rounds of golf this way. lol.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 2:36 pm to
It’s easy for people to be skeptical online. And I don’t blame them. For instance, I’m curious about your lofts on your irons because a 20 yd gap from a 52° to a PW is a lot. If your 52° is only topped out at 135, then your 9i at 170 has to be at least 2° strong. And if your lofts are jacked, it skews those totals. The wood numbers are long but even those can be manipulated. Honestly, I don’t know why you would carry 3 clubs that fly over 250 if you’re just an Am playing 6500-7000 yd courses.

My driver speed is about 110 and translates to an average carry of about 260 taking into account misses and changes in wind. And people call me long. Right now, I’m driving it pretty well. I’ve had a few drives the last couple rounds the rolled out over 300. My 3W is my 250 club. I carry a 3H instead of a 5W for the 235 yardage.

The rest:

3i - 225
4i - 210
5i - 200
6i - 188
7i - 175
8i - 165
9i - 155
PW - 145
54° - 125
60° - 105

I’m a 2.5 cap right now. Play regularly. Love my 54 and PW and feel good about hitting controlled shots with those two which is why I don’t carry a 4th wedge. Also, I love that 3i off the tee. Hit a low bullet fairway finder as often as I can. Just can’t pull it from the bag. I’ve actually considered pulling the 4 if I ever needed another wedge or even the 3W depending on course and length.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 2:41 pm
Posted by makersmark1
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 2:39 pm to
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I’m a 2.5 cap right now.


With those distances, I believer you.

You are a really strong player.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 2:44 pm to
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Driver: 320 yards 3 Wood: 270 yards 5 Wood: 250 yards


That is long even for the PGA tour.

Please develop your short game. You’ve got legit top end fulfill swing talent that I would love to have.

Your best potential is way beyond what I can hope for realistically. Good luck working on this game which is only called golf because all of the really good four letter words were already taken.
Posted by The Rodfather
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 3:17 pm to
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I’m curious about your lofts on your irons because a 20 yd gap from a 52° to a PW is a lot.


My PW is 46°, but my clubs are 19 years old and due to swinging force and how long I have had them (and maybe hitting some roots here and there), I would imagine I have changed the lofts a little on them more so with the ones I use the most like the PW (if that is even possible).

A lot of the distance gaps can be attributed to the clubs not fitting me perfectly anymore. I was early teens with I got them and they are stiff shafts (that have gotten less stiff over time). Last time I got fit (I didn't buy anything though), I was fit for x-stiff. So there is a decent amount of "whip" too them depending on how hard I try to swing that club. Like my irons that I try to swing 100% with more often vs some clubs I am only ever taking a 3/4 swing with. Then all my other wedges (non-PW) are cleveland with different shafts than the rest of the irons, so that changes some of it too.

quote:

Honestly, I don’t know why you would carry 3 clubs that fly over 250 if you’re just an Am playing 6500-7000 yd courses.


I carry the 3 wood as a driver on holes that I can drive through a dogleg or something, plus it gives me a chance to still reach a par 5 if I take an iron of a tee or screw up the drive. I plan on getting new clubs this year and getting a 4 wood or weak 3 wood, pulling the 5 wood and getting a driving iron to fill that gap. I have also kicked around the idea of getting another wedge (maybe 64°) to help on the low end. I have analysis paralysis when it comes to golf though, there are SOOOO many options. That is why I am still playing those old arse irons. lol.

Plus with work and young kids I don't get to play much anymore. I am down to only around 1-3 rounds a year. Hopefully my son will be old enough to have fun with it next year and I can get back into it.

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makersmark1
Please develop your short game. You’ve got legit top end fulfill swing talent that I would love to have.


Thanks man, I appreciate the kind words, but I am at the point in my life that any form of competitive golf is not intriguing to me. I just like to have a good time with good people now. I do regret not putting more effort into it and trying to walk on at some college when I was younger but life finds a way to work out.

If any of y'all are in the BR area and want to play, I would be interested in going and having a good time. I'm sure you will get some laughs out of watching me ping pong all over the course.
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