re: sold on the wii u?

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Disagree, Nintendo is behind the 8-ball right now.

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They're ahead and they've been ahead for a long time. The DS and Wii sold like gangbusters. It's about dollars, it always is and Nintendo won.

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Not having 3rd party support for an entire generation of console screwed them.

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Not really, I assume after these early 3rd party support announcements, the WiiU will get every single major 3rd party release.

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Why would I go buy a new console to play 3rd party games that I can already get for a system I'm familiar with?

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Well, if Nintendo keeps the Blue Ocean crowd and adds in even a small percentage of the hardcore market, then it will just steamroll. Again.

It all depends on how big the next leap is in graphic technology is. Are Sony and Mircrosoft waiting for it to release new consoles? How long will it take?

The increase in graphical output for Microsoft and Sony's next consoles won't be as big as it has been in previous generations unless they jack up the price significantly

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zelda gameplay

check it out

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Something tells me they may have just made that little presentation for E3. I seriously doubt they're making a one after the one they are currently making right now.

I wonder if people realize demo graphics are not game play graphics

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I think they are gonna do the same thing that they did for Twilight Princess. Skyward Sword will be a Wii release but will probably have an HD version for the Wii U

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Still, Skyward Sword is a great deal more colorful than that WiiU Presentation. That doesn't change between HD and Non-HD

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really? that's all it's about?

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All capitalism is.

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that kind of sentiment is the reason for the crap shovelware that permeates the wii.

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Not really. The SNES and PSOne both lived with Wonderful third party support and crap games. The ONLY thing that held Wii back was the hardware, not the philosophy.

But it did explode the entire market, and the ramifications of that are yet to be seen. I think it was a good, necessary thing. Only short-sighted FPS/Sports junkies would think otherwise. The Blue Ocean strategy worked now it looks like they will try to merge the two.

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it's the reason that regie fils aime can suggest that games like "angry birds" should be sold for wildly more than its current price. and is fundamentally anti-gamer and anti-developer.

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At the same time, many studios drove the price of creating a successful game into the stratosphere, and that caused a lot of great mid-level studios to either close down, or be absorbed by some corporation (which isn't always a good thing).

Decent mid-level studios like classic Capcom do not exist anymore, and that sucks. You can blame Nintendo for a turn towards shovelware, but you can also blame Sony and Microsoft for the implosion of mid-level producers.

We've seen quite the split this gen with the iphone scale of games and cheap production (Zynga) and the development of EA into a super-powerhouse. Neither, by itself, is good for the gamer.

So stop blaming Nintendo.

preview reel

worth a look

What worries me is the aiming they show in GR Online. The guy doesn't even move while he shoots and takes forever to line up his shot. Either he is really bad or it's hard to do those things with the Wii U controls. How is that going to be fun for online gaming? It just seems so much easier to control things like that with a 360/PS3 controller.

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your entire response is dripping with nintendo fanboyism. i'm sorry to have struck a nerve.

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The SNES and PSOne both lived with Wonderful third party support and crap games.

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Not really. I am a happy owner of more than a couple consoles. I just defend where defense is necessary and too many people harp on Nintendo when obviously they innovate often. Maybe a lot of what they do is odd (poor online frameworks, 3rd party support) but they do a lot of things right too.

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but to blame sony and MS for putting middle-tier devs out of business because they pursuied next gen systems while nintendo was rereleasing the gamecube with a gimmick controller and new market strategy just borders on the luddite.

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Not really. A multi-faceted market would include games and developers fit for all. MOST markets support that, you can buy Ferragamo shoes for a couple of thousand, Ralph Lauren shoes for a couple hundred, Bass shoes for $50 and Pay less shoes for $20. If someone drove the price of shoe production higher and you were left with only Ferragamo or Pay Less, what kind of choice is that?

Consequently, when developers drive prices for development sky high, it hurts quality middle tier developers too. You don't remember sometime between 2006-2008 tons of good developers either shut down or were absorbed? They entire market realigned quite quickly. And your response to the "Money" argument hits that very point. Is it always about the money or not? Middle tier doesn't mean poor quality or shovelware at all. It just means a smaller company with room to grow. Now, any small entry will just add to the conglomerates, that's not a good thing.

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if anything is blue ocean and revolutionary - both a boon to devs and gamers hardcore and casual - it's the development, distribution, and accessibility of ipod and mobile-phone gaming.

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You could probably make a case that this movement was propped up by the success of the wii as well. But it's hard to argue that iphone and what not is the future.

But to say the wii's success wasn't also something quite interesting is just being disingenuous.

Edit: I just wanted to add. I'm no fanboy. I haven't touched a Nintendo console in months really. And the only thing that would pull me back is maybe Chrono Trigger on the Virtual console. They messed up royally this generation when it comes to 3rd party support. That's why I play my PC more.

But what they did do was important. Someone needed to reinvigorate some fun into an ever-growing serious market, one with two many "tortured and dark souls", anti-heroes, war, death, and complexity. I like Mario Kart and Animal Crossing just as much as I like Fallout 3 and Battlefield 2, and there should be a place in gaming for both. If Nintendo can do that next generation on one console, it's a success. I just don't see Sony and Microsoft turning "uncool" and embracing some light-hearted fun, so Nintendo is the only hope.