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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts

Posted on 3/4/23 at 8:00 am to
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 8:00 am to
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Guilty as charged. Although, a 7900x around 700 would be very tempting. It's still 100 too high at 799.


BURN THE FANBOY!!!



Jokes aside, to give my own personal opinion instead of discussing market trends generally, I think whether the premium is worth it depends heavily on where in the stack you're buying into. I'll use myself as an example. I game in 3440x1440 playing big, sexy single player titles. All four (I'm ignoring the 4090, because halo cards never really belong in a value discussion) relevant cards, the 4070ti and 4080 from Nvidia and the 7900xt and xtx from AMD, will give me functionally equivalent gaming experiences at my resolution in pure raster. Will they all give different actual framerates? Of course. Will I notice the difference between 120fps and 150fps? Almost certainly not. Then again, I probably wouldn't notice the difference between any of them and my current 3080. That's why I've been pushing "budget" gamers towards the 6800 from last gen, as it's really great from a price to performance perspective, and fits neatly at the bottom of the mass of cards that will give "can't really notice the difference" levels of performance below 4k in pure raster. And at that performance level, worrying about things like RT is just silly.

But with all of that said, if you are going to buy into the top of the stack, all of a sudden, features matter a ton. Because if you can't tell the difference in pure raster, the differences in pure raster simply stop mattering. All of a sudden, it's "well, if I'm going to spend this much money, I at least want the option of fricking around in RT; if I'm spending this much money, I want the best upscaling tech to make sure I'm not getting smudging/ghosting", etc, etc.

The reality is that we're reaching the point with GPU tech that unless you play at 4k, use RT, or both, there's flat out no reason to be buying near the top of the stack. I'm actually genuinely curious to see how gamer sentiment shifts in the next few years as people start to slowly realize that, as reviewer benchmarks start creeping upwards into CS:GO territory as far as framerate. I'm also very curious to see how the GPU producers handle it.

As always these days, we live in interesting times
This post was edited on 3/4/23 at 8:01 am
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 8:13 am to
Just to put it in easier context, Nvidia makes $190M more in gaming revenue than AMD despite having more than 3x the market cap as AMD and only making GPU's.

Don't ever let anyone tell you Nvidia makes more on gaming than AMD, it's a false narrative.


Posted by Joshjrn
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 8:19 am to
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Jesus this reads like Nvidia marketing material for mediocre features no one uses or the competitor offers the same. Equal in raster? Where? Nvidia wishes for 2 gens that were the case.



What are you babbling about?

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Ignorance is bliss. Nvidia down 42% in GPU sales last quarter. Sent investors into an absolute rage how bad the GPU division has been doing. But please tell me more about stock related info.


GPU market share != stock price. You're babbling again. Also, the last time we discussed this exact issue about a month ago, your response was that AMD doesn't care about GPU market share on this page.

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I don't even think I've talked about the gpu's really at all. Maybe you are confusing cpu's or grasping.


Are you ok? You seem to have become rather forgetful.

Just skimming this thread alone, I found this page, this page, and this page before I got bored.

As always, which is seen clearly on those pages as well, I heavily critique both companies. You do nothing but fellate AMD. It's fricking boring, and frankly, I'm not sure why I even respond to your GPU posts anymore, because they seemingly always turn into this bullshite
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 8:20 am to
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GPU market share != stock price. You're babbling again. Also, the last time we discussed this exact issue about a month ago, your response was that AMD doesn't care about GPU market share on this page.



See above.

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As always, which is seen clearly on those pages as well, I heavily critique both companies. You do nothing but fellate AMD. It's fricking boring, and frankly, I'm not sure why I even respond to your GPU posts anymore, because they seemingly always turn into this bullshite

Yeah to be honest your AMD gpu knowledge is severely lacking idk why I do either.
This post was edited on 3/4/23 at 8:24 am
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 8:26 am to
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See above.


GPU market share != revenue. Just google it.

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Yeah too be honest your AMD gpu knowledge is severely lacking idk why I do either.


Done and done
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 8:26 am to
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 8:40 am to
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This whole pc building bidness is jank. First time in several years, I got it done, but frick. There's a reason I give old hardware away when homey builds it for me.


What issues did you run into?
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 11:07 am to
Basically just a bunch of self-inflicted shite.

First build from scratch in forever, so...

Instructions could be better tho. Case instructions were completely useless in like 5730458973 languages. Motherboard instructions were non-existent as well. Although they were somewhat useful for the bottom front ports.
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
Member since Nov 2013
10691 posts
Posted on 3/4/23 at 11:10 am to
O look a sata power cable for the fan hub. I'll stow it away for now and get back to it later.

Three hours later... Why aren't my fans spinning while the mobo picks them up...

Stupid shite like that.

Edit: double post.

Double edit: cleaning up double post a bit.
This post was edited on 3/4/23 at 11:12 am
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 11:34 am to
Dude, why didn’t you start a thread so we could help you along?
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
Member since Nov 2013
10691 posts
Posted on 3/4/23 at 11:36 am to
Didn't really need help. Outside of my fricking stupidity.

Just had to google the damn schematics.
Posted by Joshjrn
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 11:55 am to
Fair enough
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
Member since Nov 2013
10691 posts
Posted on 3/4/23 at 1:30 pm to
My God windows 11 is shite.

That was a problem yesterday as well. Downloaded all the drivers the day before and got distracted on how shitty it was.

WTF Microsoft?
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 2:34 pm to
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My God windows 11 is shite.

That was a problem yesterday as well. Downloaded all the drivers the day before and got distracted on how shitty it was.

WTF Microsoft?


What issues are you running into? I've been running 11 since it was released, and I haven't had any problems.
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
Member since Nov 2013
10691 posts
Posted on 3/4/23 at 2:57 pm to
I'd say the UI is the biggest thing. There is supposedly a w10 mod, IDK.
Posted by Joshjrn
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 3:30 pm to
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I'd say the UI is the biggest thing.


Which aspects? Some, like the start bar being centered instead of to the left is a simple setting switch. Some require a little more effort.
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
Member since Nov 2013
10691 posts
Posted on 3/7/23 at 5:27 pm to
It's pretty much the same underneath the hood.

It's just the hood is painted a different color and the latch is in a different place.

All in all, not too bad now.

Some minor things like my VPN not showing up in the arrow programs. The others are now.
Posted by Joshjrn
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Member since Dec 2008
29953 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 5:54 pm to
Yeah, it took me a few days to get everything sorted, but after that, I pretty much forget that I'm on 11 and not 10.

Except for having an extra click to get to Nvidia's control panel from the desktop
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 3/9/23 at 7:47 am to
I'll be giving 11 a go here shortly. Hoping to do my yearly clean Windows reinstall on Saturday and jumping to 11
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
Member since Nov 2013
10691 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 2:31 pm to
So what's a legit windows key again?

I got burned(temp) by Kinguin.

I got a refund, but I need a no-frills key.
This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 2:34 pm
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