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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:49 am to Joshjrn
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:49 am to Joshjrn
The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that AMD is doing exactly what I thought Nvidia was/is doing: artificially inflating prices to try to clear old stock. I'm going to be genuinely surprised if we don't start seeing price cuts as early as Q1. I could see the 4080 being somewhere between $999 and $1099, with the XTX sagging roughly the same amount. I think Nvidia will then slot a 4080ti in around $1199 to $1299 sometime around Q3/4, depending on what production yields look like.
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Posted on 12/13/22 at 8:19 am to Joshjrn
The 7900XT would've been a heck of a deal if AMD released it at 749.99 and called it a 7800XT.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 5:33 pm to boXerrumble
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The 7900XT would've been a heck of a deal if AMD released it at 749.99 and called it a 7800XT.
Yup. And it wouldn't surprise me to see that price next quarter. Unfortunately, we're stuck with the nomenclature, I would imagine
Posted on 12/13/22 at 10:49 pm to Joshjrn
Couple games if anybody wants.
Mafia: Definitive Edition: EWFX4-89A9E-R22LK
WWE 2K Battlegrounds: BYBQ2-0QZVM-AJ6AK
On steam of course.
Mafia: Definitive Edition: EWFX4-89A9E-R22LK
WWE 2K Battlegrounds: BYBQ2-0QZVM-AJ6AK
On steam of course.
This post was edited on 12/13/22 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 12/13/22 at 11:22 pm to Joshjrn
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4090ti at some point with a 5-8% uplift over the current 4090.
If that's all the ti sees it would be close then. AMD has stated 3D v cache sees similar performance gains to the cpu side so we're looking at 20% performance gains on the GPU side as well.
Of course we don't really know any other details on that card and what else may be increased. Just the raw gains from 3DV are substantial like on the CPU side.
The 7900XTX gets fairly close to the 4090 as is.
This post was edited on 12/14/22 at 1:34 am
Posted on 12/13/22 at 11:24 pm to boXerrumble
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The 7900XT would've been a heck of a deal if AMD released it at 749.99 and called it a 7800XT.
Unfortunately Nvidia set the market here. If the 4080 was even close to what it should be we would have seen that scenario or at least pricing.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 11:56 pm to hoojy
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hoojy
Posted on 12/14/22 at 5:45 pm to UltimateHog
I'm not sure if it's accurate to say that the XTX is "fairly close" to the 4090, as the latter is a 20% performance increase over the former in pure rasterization, much less RT, but I appreciate that subjective language is subjective. I also doubt, though very sincerely hope, that 3D v-cache will give a 20% performance increase, as your cited 20% increase for CPUs isn't a median, much less across the board, and is skewed a bit by some extreme outliers in performance, and I say that as someone who will probably buy an x3D chip in the next year or two.
But even if you're right, and the future v-cache AMD GPU gives 20% uplift over the XTX, all that does is bring it equal to the 4090 in rasterization. Assuming the 4090ti variant gets a 5-8% boost over the 4090, which I think is a touch conservative considering how much of the die was cut down, that still puts the 4090ti 5-8% above the v-cache AMD card. But I hope I'm wrong and AMD blows the doors off of Nvidia. Though considering that their pricing is roughly as shitty as Nvidia's this cycle, I don't have particularly high hopes.
But even if you're right, and the future v-cache AMD GPU gives 20% uplift over the XTX, all that does is bring it equal to the 4090 in rasterization. Assuming the 4090ti variant gets a 5-8% boost over the 4090, which I think is a touch conservative considering how much of the die was cut down, that still puts the 4090ti 5-8% above the v-cache AMD card. But I hope I'm wrong and AMD blows the doors off of Nvidia. Though considering that their pricing is roughly as shitty as Nvidia's this cycle, I don't have particularly high hopes.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 9:21 pm to Joshjrn
Yeah there are too many variables. They'll likely be neck and neck like last gen.
20% 3D gains, double the infinity cache, more shaders.
Then add in the 3.5-3.7GHz OC potential and how well OCing scales with infinity cache on the cpu side and yeah, may even beat a 4090ti.
20% 3D gains, double the infinity cache, more shaders.
Then add in the 3.5-3.7GHz OC potential and how well OCing scales with infinity cache on the cpu side and yeah, may even beat a 4090ti.
This post was edited on 12/14/22 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 12/14/22 at 9:37 pm to UltimateHog
I hope so, but I just don’t see it this gen. Now, if the chiplet design “ages like fine wine” a la Zen… then next gen might be a hell of a thing.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 11:55 pm to Joshjrn
I wouldn't expect you to.
Now for the rest of us without green glasses, very easy to see how AMD can win the performance crown for a 2nd straight gen.
Now for the rest of us without green glasses, very easy to see how AMD can win the performance crown for a 2nd straight gen.
This post was edited on 12/14/22 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 12/15/22 at 6:38 am to UltimateHog
If you're going to say the XTX gets close to the 4090 based on that chart, then you can say the 4080 gets even closer to the XTX
Posted on 12/15/22 at 6:39 am to UltimateHog
I discuss, praise, and insult both companies as warranted. You breathlessly praise AMD and post shocked head shaking emotes. Your incessant projection on the subject of shilling is more than a little tiresome, so can we leave the personal slights out of it going forward?
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:40 pm to Joshjrn
I'm almost glad that AMD is behind the mind-share on this.
Most people shitting on them are only waiting for Nvidia to lower prices.
It's gonna be a FAFO for those peeps.
Most people shitting on them are only waiting for Nvidia to lower prices.
It's gonna be a FAFO for those peeps.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 4:39 pm to hoojy
Man the Asus TUF 7900XTX is a fricking beast! Seems to be the best AIB card so far. The cost per frame is even better than a 3070ti. 
I think this may be the one to get when the 7950XTX3DXTXTX drops.
I think this may be the one to get when the 7950XTX3DXTXTX drops.
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 12/16/22 at 7:48 pm to UltimateHog
Very solid card in rasterization, though I’m curious to see if the price to performance ratio holds up once the price is actually announced. They assumed an $1,100 price point. And while that might hold, the 4080 TUF OC saw a $200 increase over MSRP, so it wouldn’t exactly surprise me to see a $1,200 list price once it goes live.
And it’s quite the indictment of the price points of both companies this generation that we apparently no longer fully expect each generation to be significantly better in price to performance than the previous generation, especially a sku that was as panned on price as the 3070ti
And it’s quite the indictment of the price points of both companies this generation that we apparently no longer fully expect each generation to be significantly better in price to performance than the previous generation, especially a sku that was as panned on price as the 3070ti
Posted on 12/20/22 at 1:51 am to Joshjrn
Epic Games to Pay More Than Half a Billion Dollars over FTC Allegations of Privacy Violations and Unwanted Charges
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Epic ignored more than one million user complaints and repeated employee concerns that “huge” numbers of users were being wrongfully charged. In fact, Epic’s changes only made the problem worse, the FTC alleged. Using internal testing, Epic purposefully obscured cancel and refund features to make them more difficult to find.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 7:13 am to UltimateHog
I don’t understand why Epic almost insists on being an unlikable dumpster fire.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 10:28 am to Joshjrn
Josh. When should I start looking for motherboard and processor upgrades? What price range am I looking at?
Posted on 12/20/22 at 12:19 pm to HailToTheChiz
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Josh. When should I start looking for motherboard and processor upgrades? What price range am I looking at?
Those two questions are related
Remind me, have we talked about your usage case yet? If so, feel free to link me to it. If not, then I can ask you a bunch of questions
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