re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts

Yeah I knew that was just stating the current deal on Amazon.

Hell it's been tempting for me versus waiting for the 7800x3d.

Figures. Everything goes on sale after I buy it.

Of course, Amazon doesn't do price matches after sale.

And ya, the 7800x3d, wasn't gonna do me any good at this time. I might get the 8800x3d or w/e when I have a better card.

quote:

---

Your projecting your fanboyism is rampant, as always. My personal beliefs are irrelevant: the market has spoken loud and clear, and it's willing to pay about a 20% premium for an Nvidia product equal in raster to an AMD product. Whether that's because of RT, DLSS, stability, studio features, etc, that's simply a fact, and is illustrated by the further fact that AMD has been hemorrhaging GPU market share for the last several years.

---

Jesus this reads like Nvidia marketing material for mediocre features no one uses or the competitor offers the same. Equal in raster? Where? Nvidia wishes for 2 gens that were the case.

quote:

---

and is illustrated by the further fact that AMD has been hemorrhaging GPU market share for the last several years.

---

Ignorance is bliss. Nvidia down 42% in GPU sales last quarter. Sent investors into an absolute rage how bad the GPU division has been doing. But please tell me more about stock related info.

quote:

---

I've spent the last few months saying all of this year's releases have been dogshit. You've spent the last few months saying that Nvidia is terrible and that AMD has released cards that were god's gift to gamers, with lots of for emphasis.

---

I don't even think I've talked about the gpu's really at all. Maybe you are confusing cpu's or grasping.

quote:

---

Guilty as charged. Although, a 7900x around 700 would be very tempting. It's still 100 too high at 799.

---

BURN THE FANBOY!!!



Jokes aside, to give my own personal opinion instead of discussing market trends generally, I think whether the premium is worth it depends heavily on where in the stack you're buying into. I'll use myself as an example. I game in 3440x1440 playing big, sexy single player titles. All four (I'm ignoring the 4090, because halo cards never really belong in a value discussion) relevant cards, the 4070ti and 4080 from Nvidia and the 7900xt and xtx from AMD, will give me functionally equivalent gaming experiences at my resolution in pure raster. Will they all give different actual framerates? Of course. Will I notice the difference between 120fps and 150fps? Almost certainly not. Then again, I probably wouldn't notice the difference between any of them and my current 3080. That's why I've been pushing "budget" gamers towards the 6800 from last gen, as it's really great from a price to performance perspective, and fits neatly at the bottom of the mass of cards that will give "can't really notice the difference" levels of performance below 4k in pure raster. And at that performance level, worrying about things like RT is just silly.

But with all of that said, if you are going to buy into the top of the stack, all of a sudden, features matter a ton. Because if you can't tell the difference in pure raster, the differences in pure raster simply stop mattering. All of a sudden, it's "well, if I'm going to spend this much money, I at least want the option of fricking around in RT; if I'm spending this much money, I want the best upscaling tech to make sure I'm not getting smudging/ghosting", etc, etc.

The reality is that we're reaching the point with GPU tech that unless you play at 4k, use RT, or both, there's flat out no reason to be buying near the top of the stack. I'm actually genuinely curious to see how gamer sentiment shifts in the next few years as people start to slowly realize that, as reviewer benchmarks start creeping upwards into CS:GO territory as far as framerate. I'm also very curious to see how the GPU producers handle it.

As always these days, we live in interesting times

quote:

---

Jesus this reads like Nvidia marketing material for mediocre features no one uses or the competitor offers the same. Equal in raster? Where? Nvidia wishes for 2 gens that were the case.

---

What are you babbling about?

quote:

---

Ignorance is bliss. Nvidia down 42% in GPU sales last quarter. Sent investors into an absolute rage how bad the GPU division has been doing. But please tell me more about stock related info.

---

GPU market share != stock price. You're babbling again. Also, the last time we discussed this exact issue about a month ago, your response was that AMD doesn't care about GPU market share on this page.

quote:

---

I don't even think I've talked about the gpu's really at all. Maybe you are confusing cpu's or grasping.

---

Are you ok? You seem to have become rather forgetful.

Just skimming this thread alone, I found this page, this page, and this page before I got bored.

As always, which is seen clearly on those pages as well, I heavily critique both companies. You do nothing but fellate AMD. It's fricking boring, and frankly, I'm not sure why I even respond to your GPU posts anymore, because they seemingly always turn into this bullshite

quote:

---

GPU market share != stock price. You're babbling again. Also, the last time we discussed this exact issue about a month ago, your response was that AMD doesn't care about GPU market share on this page.

---

See above.

quote:

---

As always, which is seen clearly on those pages as well, I heavily critique both companies. You do nothing but fellate AMD. It's fricking boring, and frankly, I'm not sure why I even respond to your GPU posts anymore, because they seemingly always turn into this bullshite

---

Yeah to be honest your AMD gpu knowledge is severely lacking idk why I do either.

Basically just a bunch of self-inflicted shite.

First build from scratch in forever, so...

Instructions could be better tho. Case instructions were completely useless in like 5730458973 languages. Motherboard instructions were non-existent as well. Although they were somewhat useful for the bottom front ports.

Dude, why didn’t you start a thread so we could help you along?

Fair enough