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re: Microsoft defends the Xbox One's Licensing, Used Game Policies - Great Interview
Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:11 am to stout
Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:11 am to stout
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But why do you want to continue to pay $60 for them?
fricking exactly. Did no one read my post on the first page? I even gave a TLDR summary.
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:12 am to wish i was tebow
the drop in prices will be marginal as long as there is only one distributor for each console.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:12 am to stout
What are you talking about... Sony is not saying they won't be selling digital games.
In fact for movies they are ahead of Xbox ,far as I seen..
The problem everyone has is Xbox is trying to force us into this. While Sony is leaving it open to choice. Hey you can go buy a game at a store and get a hard copy, or download digital. It's pro-consumer.
Or are you telling me we are too dumb and we should be forced to download everything for the good of the gamer?
In fact for movies they are ahead of Xbox ,far as I seen..
The problem everyone has is Xbox is trying to force us into this. While Sony is leaving it open to choice. Hey you can go buy a game at a store and get a hard copy, or download digital. It's pro-consumer.
Or are you telling me we are too dumb and we should be forced to download everything for the good of the gamer?
This post was edited on 6/12/13 at 10:14 am
Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:12 am to SG_Geaux
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And Sony hasn't ?
Not saying they haven't but that isn't the point here.
All I am saying is that assuming MS is predicting the future with their choices in console restrictions all while telling you that this they way it eventually is going to be, hasn't worked in the past.
Not saying they are right or wrong, but instead, MS, you, me, Sony may not know. That is why at least considering the status quo is smart.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:14 am to Mystery
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In fact for movies they are ahead of Xbox for netflix and etc as far as I seen..
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The problem everyone has is Xbox is trying to force us into this. While Sony is leaving it open to choice. Hey you can go buy a game at a store and get a hard copy, or download digital. It's pro-consumer.
You can do the same thing with the Xbox.....
Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:14 am to wish i was tebow
Yes. The way MS is talking is that their vision is to allow publishers better ways and more competitive ways to get their products to consumers.
As it is now the largest retailers of physical copies of games have ZERO incintive to lower the prices on new copies even when a games demand has decreased. They would also have to lower the prices on the trade ins they purchased if they did so. It's almost a form of collusion at this point and hurts the consumer more than being able to make $10 on a trade in helps the consumer.
As it is now the largest retailers of physical copies of games have ZERO incintive to lower the prices on new copies even when a games demand has decreased. They would also have to lower the prices on the trade ins they purchased if they did so. It's almost a form of collusion at this point and hurts the consumer more than being able to make $10 on a trade in helps the consumer.
This post was edited on 6/12/13 at 10:15 am
Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:14 am to RTR America
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You can do the same thing with the Xbox.....
No shite.
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In fact for movies they are ahead of Xbox for netflix and etc as far as I seen..
Not talking about the 360
Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:16 am to stout
I don't but, hey if that's what I wanna do, I have to literally pay the price. Plus games last longer than Movies to me.I agree with you guys standpoint though. 
Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:16 am to Mystery
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Sony is not saying they won't be selling digital games.
Right but they are also still allowing the very market that keeps pricing inflated to exist. Digital or not you will never buy a console game on release day for less than $60 as long as that market is still around.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:19 am to stout
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Digital or not you will never buy a console game on release day for less than $60 as long as that market is still around.
Correct me If am wrong, but I remember a big debate on why financially it made no sense for digitally downloaded games to cost any less than $60 for the consumer.
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I can't remember who was arguing which side, but some people were adamant that is made no sense financially to drop the price from $60, even if the physical cost for the manufacturer was gone.
This post was edited on 6/12/13 at 10:21 am
Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:21 am to stout
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Right but they are also still allowing the very market that keeps pricing inflated to exist. Digital or not you will never buy a console game on release day for less than $60 as long as that market is still around.
do you really think that if they got rid of brick and mortar distribution completely, the consoles would distribute the games for much lower prices?
they're the only game in town if everything goes digital. What drops prices on PC games? competition from multiple distributors like humble bundle, steam, GMG, amazon, etc. Its not the presence or lack of a physical disk that keeps prices high for long periods of time.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:22 am to Mystery
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In fact for movies they are ahead of Xbox ,far as I seen..
How so ?
Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:23 am to SG_Geaux
Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:23 am to taylork37
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even if the physical cost for the manufacturer was gone.
Mainly because it probably cost about $1 to manufacture.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:24 am to taylork37
At this point it doesn't. Publishers lose too much to the trade in market. They have a break even point and profit point they have to meet to stay in business. As long as people are buying trade ins that the publisher gets no part of they are going to have to keep their prices inflated accross the board to reach their goals.
Without that market you would have everyone buying digital if they want that game so that goal theoretically could be reached faster or could allow them to lower the overall price earlier.
The consumer in no way wins with a trade market lead by the largest gaming retailers out there. Every single one of them have and push a trade in market.
Without that market you would have everyone buying digital if they want that game so that goal theoretically could be reached faster or could allow them to lower the overall price earlier.
The consumer in no way wins with a trade market lead by the largest gaming retailers out there. Every single one of them have and push a trade in market.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:24 am to SG_Geaux
Exactly what you said in that thread
So again why are we assuming that all of this will bring down the cost of games?
So again why are we assuming that all of this will bring down the cost of games?
Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:26 am to stout
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At this point it doesn't. Publishers lose too much to the trade in market. They have a break even point and profit point they have to meet to stay in business. As long as people are buying trade ins that the publisher gets no part of they are going to have to keep their prices inflated accross the board to reach their goals.
Yeah I think the trade in market has a larger effect on the prices than just selling the hard copy version of the game.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:26 am to stout
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At this point it doesn't. Publishers lose too much to the trade in market. They have a break even point and profit point they have to meet to stay in business. As long as people are buying trade ins that the publisher gets no part of they are going to have to keep their prices inflated accross the board to reach their goals.
Without that market you would have everyone buying digital if they want that game so that goal theoretically could be reached faster or could allow them to lower the overall price earlier
I agree, but this is exactly my point in that previous thread, that people were arguing hard against.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:26 am to puffulufogous
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they're the only game in town if everything goes digital. What drops prices on PC games? competition from multiple distributors like humble bundle, steam, GMG, amazon, etc. Its not the presence or lack of a physical disk that keeps prices high for long periods of time.
Publishers still control who can retail their games in the end. That's something that neither Sony or Xbox can stop without really experiencing a backlash from both consumers and publishers.
The only ones that may get bullied in all of this are small indies but no way Sony or Xbox can tell the EAs of the world to frick off.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:26 am to stout
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Without that market you would have everyone buying digital if they want that game so that goal theoretically could be reached faster or could allow them to lower the overall price earlier
so you are saying that publishers say "ok we have sold X number of copies as full price. Now we can lower the price."
I don't even know where to start with this stout
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