re: I come humbly to talk to the Master Race - Nephew wants to build

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Unlike you I know to rely on people that know more than me, I know my limits. You I don't rely on

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Then rely on someone who isn't me who knows more than you and go look up how easy it is to create Windows 10 installation media.

Or, you know, just download this tool and follow the steps: LINK

I'd hate for you to just take my word for it <3

How does a licensed copy of Windows 10 even come packaged these days? Do they provide a USB boot device? Still on a CD?

Getting your own ISO USB drive installs the exact same way anyway

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good luck getting that CPU/GPU before christmas.

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He has been saving money and hopes some Christmas donations puts him over the top

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Sounds like it's definitely hapopening after xmas

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DoUrden

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bruh

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Nu uh. 5600x way better

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On paper and in artificial benchmarks, you’re getting about a 15% gain for a 50% price premium. And like I said, if he’s doing low res high FPS gaming, he should go that route. If he’s doing anything above, let’s say, 1080p medium, he’s likely going to be gpu bound. At 1080p ultra, he might get 5% gains out of a 5600x. At 1440p medium, you’re likely down to 3% and falling.

I play at 3440x1440 ultra, so the difference between the two processors is functionally non existent. It just depends on the specific usage case.

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Sounds like it's definitely hapopening after xmas

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Yup, he is asking for monetary donations at Christmas to get him over the top (been saving all 2020) and hopes to build it early 2021.

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you’re getting about a 15% gain for a 50% price premium

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A 15% gain is considered fairly substantial

And I just want to throw out that I definitely don't want this to become a fight between our two proposed builds. You posted a very solid build. We just had slightly different priorities in how we stay at/around/under the price cap.

From what I can tell, I prioritize the non-sexy core components (mobo, psu) a little more. That doesn't mean the ones you picked aren't good for the price; I'm just a little paranoid about trusting the electrical delivery of my system to components I don't know well, and for example, I don't know that psu at all.

I also spent a bit more upgrading from a SATA m.2 to NVME, because those are just every day "feel" gains that I think are worth it.

I went 3200 cl16 to not only save a few bucks, but if he wants to get his hands dirty, a 3200/16 kit is more likely to hit 3600/16 than a 3600/18 kit is likely to tighten to cas 16. But otherwise, the two kits we pitched are at identical 10ns first word latency.

I spent a bit more on the case, because it has better airflow by design, plus it ships with two fans instead of one, which while less than ideal, is at least functional out of the box without buying more fans.

You saved some money on those components, which means you can reach a little more on the others.

And that brings us to our big components: cpu and gpu. Obviously, a 5900x is better than a 5600x which is better than a 3600. Just like a 3080 is better than a 3070 which is better than a 3060ti. But now we are getting into value propositions, and without knowing the kid's specific usage case, we likely don't have great answers on where it makes sense to spend the money.

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If he is going low res high fps then he needs all the cpu he can get. A 3070 is not getting bottlenecked at 1080p.

I severely outperform all my friends with a 2700x and 3700x in 1080p with a 8700k and a lower gpu or at least match. At 1440p, cpu matters less depending on the gpu.

I won't even argue anymore because I don't even know the type of gaming it will be.

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We're saying the same thing, mate, so I'm not sure how it would be construed as arguing