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Posted on 9/9/20 at 7:17 pm to wutangfinancial
Anybody have a clue about Go Figure and how to know what lots are actually good?
Posted on 9/9/20 at 8:36 pm to VABuckeye
Tangent topic: favorite importers?
Not exclusive but I like North Berkeley, Kermit Lynch, Jenny & Francois, Becky Wasserman, and Rosenthal. That’s rather French heavy but interested in some other thoughts especially on Italian and Spanish.
Not exclusive but I like North Berkeley, Kermit Lynch, Jenny & Francois, Becky Wasserman, and Rosenthal. That’s rather French heavy but interested in some other thoughts especially on Italian and Spanish.
Posted on 9/9/20 at 9:17 pm to BlackenedOut
Finally visited Total Wine in Metry the other day. Part of my haul:
A few notes:
I love the Morgan Twelve Clones Pinot Noir, so I'm really interested in that red blend, "Cotes du Crow's" (56% Grenache, 37% Syrah and 7% Tempranillo)
That French white blend (Sav Bl/Sem/Musc) looked interesting for $15.
Chloe makes a decent Chardonnay, so I thought I'd try the Prosecco.
Don't go to sleep on that Fragolino. It's $8, and if you bring it to the next Thanksgiving dinner or something like that, serve it very chilled right before dinner, and you will be your old Aunts' favorite nephew/niece. It's also something you can give half a glass to a "youngster" and not be worried.
I've had the Landmark Vineyards Overlook Pinot Noir before and it is excellent.
The rest, I'll be honest, I don't know much about, but they had decent ratings on Vivino App.
A few notes:
I love the Morgan Twelve Clones Pinot Noir, so I'm really interested in that red blend, "Cotes du Crow's" (56% Grenache, 37% Syrah and 7% Tempranillo)
That French white blend (Sav Bl/Sem/Musc) looked interesting for $15.
Chloe makes a decent Chardonnay, so I thought I'd try the Prosecco.
Don't go to sleep on that Fragolino. It's $8, and if you bring it to the next Thanksgiving dinner or something like that, serve it very chilled right before dinner, and you will be your old Aunts' favorite nephew/niece. It's also something you can give half a glass to a "youngster" and not be worried.
I've had the Landmark Vineyards Overlook Pinot Noir before and it is excellent.
The rest, I'll be honest, I don't know much about, but they had decent ratings on Vivino App.
Posted on 9/10/20 at 7:31 am to LuckySo-n-So
On the topic of ratings/looking up stuff in store, I suggest CellarTracker as well. It's not as smooth as vivino or wine.com for that purpose, but it's a good tool if you want to get an idea of what the more wine snobbish/collector crowd thinks of something.
It's not perfect, but Total/Vivino/etc. reflect the public's view - which is usually the crowd pleaser/"Caymus is my benchmark" view. Fine if you like it, but it leans heavy on really popular and really bold reds.
CellarTracker is also a really useful tool to track your collection and what you've liked, but it's somewhat clunky to use.
It's not perfect, but Total/Vivino/etc. reflect the public's view - which is usually the crowd pleaser/"Caymus is my benchmark" view. Fine if you like it, but it leans heavy on really popular and really bold reds.
CellarTracker is also a really useful tool to track your collection and what you've liked, but it's somewhat clunky to use.
Posted on 9/10/20 at 7:54 am to Pettifogger
Thanks. That’s good info!
Posted on 9/10/20 at 10:12 am to LuckySo-n-So
Another thought - since you like bordeaux, Bordoverview is a spreadsheet-like website that tracks pricing and pro ratings for a wide variety of offerings. You don't get reviews, but you can see the scores. It's a pretty great resource and free.
K&L in California is also a good wine shop for pro review snippets (if you're like me and don't want to pay for them). They won't have everything, but it's a good tool.
K&L in California is also a good wine shop for pro review snippets (if you're like me and don't want to pay for them). They won't have everything, but it's a good tool.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:11 am to Pettifogger
The more you get into wine, the more you can tell when a restaurant or bar puts at least a little thought into their wine list.
Not to be a snob, but you can look at a place like The Tasting Room, which is a supposed wine bar, and how terrible and thoughtless their wine list is, versus a place like say, Saint-Germain which has a pretty small but thoughtful list.
I know that comes across as terribly snobbish, but it is something I have just kind of noticed lately.
(The Tasting Rooms Pinot Noir is Meiomi lol)
Not to be a snob, but you can look at a place like The Tasting Room, which is a supposed wine bar, and how terrible and thoughtless their wine list is, versus a place like say, Saint-Germain which has a pretty small but thoughtful list.
I know that comes across as terribly snobbish, but it is something I have just kind of noticed lately.
(The Tasting Rooms Pinot Noir is Meiomi lol)
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:22 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
The more you get into wine, the more you can tell when a restaurant or bar puts at least a little thought into their wine list.
Not to be a snob, but you can look at a place like The Tasting Room, which is a supposed wine bar, and how terrible and thoughtless their wine list is, versus a place like say, Saint-Germain which has a pretty small but thoughtful list.
I know that comes across as terribly snobbish, but it is something I have just kind of noticed lately.
(The Tasting Rooms Pinot Noir is Meiomi lol)
I don't think it's snobbish (granted, this is coming from a former somm). I 100% judge places by their wine lists. I get HAVING to have certain wines only because they move so well (like a bar selling bud light), but I hate when I can tell an entire place's list was made by a single wine rep and it's all his/her wines. My other pet peeve is ONLY having wines from one region, usually Cali.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:26 am to rowbear1922
quote:
but I hate when I can tell an entire place's list was made by a single wine rep and it's all his/her wines.
Basically The tasting room.
That's why a wine shop like The Independent is so impressive to me. Almost all of the wines are smaller producers that you don't see a lot of, and he always has interesting choices and really knows his shite.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:29 am to Fun Bunch
Yeah it's almost always disappointing.
But the reality is that unless you're in NYC or SF or a select few other cities, wine has to be accessible and recognizable to the types who will attend wine bars in Atlanta or Dallas or Louisiana. And more often than not we're a tiny percentage of the customer base.
Top steakhouses are usually a safe haven, but you pay for it and it's just not very conducive to regular drinking. The sweet spot IMO are the established old neighborhood restaurants who cater to the type of regular who has a wine cellar. In Atlanta, there are only a few I really think of like that, but the wine lists are thoughtful due to the demands of their regulars.
There is one restaurant here that has the best wine pricing I've ever seen and also has a wine mailing list with ridiculously good pricing. It's something of an open secret, but if anyone lives here or is regularly here and wants in, let me know.
But the reality is that unless you're in NYC or SF or a select few other cities, wine has to be accessible and recognizable to the types who will attend wine bars in Atlanta or Dallas or Louisiana. And more often than not we're a tiny percentage of the customer base.
Top steakhouses are usually a safe haven, but you pay for it and it's just not very conducive to regular drinking. The sweet spot IMO are the established old neighborhood restaurants who cater to the type of regular who has a wine cellar. In Atlanta, there are only a few I really think of like that, but the wine lists are thoughtful due to the demands of their regulars.
There is one restaurant here that has the best wine pricing I've ever seen and also has a wine mailing list with ridiculously good pricing. It's something of an open secret, but if anyone lives here or is regularly here and wants in, let me know.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:34 am to Pettifogger
To me its the new age, hipster-ish wine places that put the most thought into their wine lists lately.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:38 am to Pettifogger
Yes please.
In some ways, the problem or opportunity, of a restaurant wine list is an easy way to make the margin they need to stay open. Get a case deal on XYZ wine, mark it up as a BTG, get maybe 4.5 - 5 glasses out of each bottle, and watch the revenue climb.
In general, I think New Orleans has way more interesting wine lists than it did even a decade ago, which is a great thing all around. But we still have a lot of neighborhood spots pouring the same stuff (not that there is anything wrong with that, if it is what their customers want, it works). Just romanticizing an ideal where the wine lists at a neighborhood spot in this largely European city look more like the wine you might get at a bistro in France or a tapas spot in Barcelona.
In some ways, the problem or opportunity, of a restaurant wine list is an easy way to make the margin they need to stay open. Get a case deal on XYZ wine, mark it up as a BTG, get maybe 4.5 - 5 glasses out of each bottle, and watch the revenue climb.
In general, I think New Orleans has way more interesting wine lists than it did even a decade ago, which is a great thing all around. But we still have a lot of neighborhood spots pouring the same stuff (not that there is anything wrong with that, if it is what their customers want, it works). Just romanticizing an ideal where the wine lists at a neighborhood spot in this largely European city look more like the wine you might get at a bistro in France or a tapas spot in Barcelona.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:44 am to BlackenedOut
quote:
In general, I think New Orleans has way more interesting wine lists than it did even a decade ago,
Definitely agree.
The problem is if someone sees, say a Gruner or Furmint on a menu...or a New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc, they are going to get the SB because a normal person doesn't know what the hell the others are.
Its fine to have old staples, but its nice when a place adds 2-3 interesting or different options and is can let the customer know about them.
Like as previously mentioned, a bar having Bud Light or NOLA Blonde and something more interesting from a small brewer.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:53 am to Fun Bunch
In a perfect world that NZ SB allows the Gruner to be on the menu.
I'll just be happy if we dont lose 60% of the restaurants in New Orleans. I'll gladly drink some high alcohol Cab if it means places can survive!
I'll just be happy if we dont lose 60% of the restaurants in New Orleans. I'll gladly drink some high alcohol Cab if it means places can survive!
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:57 am to BlackenedOut
Very true. Destroya is doing her best to destroy them all though.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:08 am to LuckySo-n-So
quote:I don't know if a Prosecco exists that I don't love.
Chloe makes a decent Chardonnay, so I thought I'd try the Prosecco.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:01 pm to bayoubengals88
quote:
I don't know if a Prosecco exists that I don't love.
Fair enough
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:16 pm to BlackenedOut
The firm grip of distributors like Republic is definitely loosening in the city. I think the transplants who open places are leaning more European. And some really good places still have BS wine lists
Posted on 9/11/20 at 4:15 pm to rowbear1922
Problem is most business owners are going to push stuff that moves as opposed to worrying about the things you mentioned
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