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re: Wine experts-West coast v. European reds

Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:17 pm to
Posted by coolpapaboze
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Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:17 pm to
To be fair, I thought that at the beginning of my wine experience, but the more wines I tried, the more I gravitated toward the old world style. Now it is the style I prefer.
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:35 pm to
People need to understand that the old world wines in discussion here are made to age. When young they will seem thin, acidic and very tannic. Then you taste one that’s 25 years old and it’s a holy shite moment. That’s when the old world wines reel you in.

My racks are focused mostly on fine Italian wines. Brunello, Barbaresco and Barolo primarily. I also have a lot of Chianti Classico region wines and Super Tuscans. I’d say I have about 50-60 bottles of California wines. I like them. I enjoy them but nothing like the old world wines.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 8:37 pm
Posted by Demshoes
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Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:49 pm to
Love cabs from Paso Robles.
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:46 am to
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Where do South American wines typically fall on that spectrum?


Rothschild has a lot of production in Chile, and is some of the best stuff you can find for the price. Falls more towards old world style.
Posted by Hou_Lawyer
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Posted on 3/17/22 at 11:16 am to
If you like Napa cabs and are looking to mix it up then I highly suggest trying tempranillo from Rioja.
Posted by cardoin
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Posted on 3/17/22 at 11:35 am to
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You’ll find riper wines from Europe in the warmer climes like southern France, Spain and central/southern Italy.


As stated above, my travels to Northern Italy and Spain allowed those people to educate me (albeit I'm no expert) about the wines from those regions vs French and California wines. According to the Italians and Spanish, their wines are fermented without added sugars, only using sugars from the grapes. French wines are essentially California wines due a a blight that decimated the French vineyards some years back and they were reseeded from California vineyards.
Posted by FinleyStreet
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Posted on 3/17/22 at 11:49 am to
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To be fair, I thought that at the beginning of my wine experience, but the more wines I tried, the more I gravitated toward the old world style. Now it is the style I prefer.


Same.

The more I drink wine, the less I want to drink California wines. Earlier in my drinking "career" it was the other way around.

Oregon and Washington are doing a lot of good things more in that old world style and with a decent price point to boot. Hard to find WA wines in my area, though.
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
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Posted on 3/17/22 at 12:58 pm to
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French wines are essentially California wines due a a blight that decimated the French vineyards some years back and they were reseeded from California vineyards.


Interesting.

Another question.
Is dry the opposite of sweet?
Or better said, can you have a dry fruit forward full bodied red (cab for example) that can also be dry?
This post was edited on 3/17/22 at 1:15 pm
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 3/17/22 at 1:01 pm to
Changed.

Looks like it was Texas grafts that were the solution with aphid resistant strains.

This post was edited on 3/17/22 at 1:12 pm
Posted by wutangfinancial
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Posted on 3/17/22 at 5:00 pm to
I’d recommend Catena Zapata in Mendoza, too. Same thing. Old Italian winery and very good quality for cheap.
Posted by wutangfinancial
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Posted on 3/17/22 at 5:05 pm to
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Washington


It’s not a secret anymore but Walla Walla has really good wine. I actually have one of Tom Ronaldi’s Red Mountain blend and it’s ridiculous for $25. I’m going to grabbing his Bordeuax Blend next. Winery is called Ambassador. Red Mountain wine always has more complexity than Cali fruit bombs.
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 3/17/22 at 8:31 pm to
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TH03


Where the frick have you been and glad to see you back.
Posted by BigDropper
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Posted on 3/17/22 at 8:52 pm to
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mostly on fine Italian wines. Brunello, Barbaresco and Barolo primarily. I also have a lot of Chianti Classico region wines and Super Tuscans.

Shame on you for leaving Amarone off that list.
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 3/17/22 at 8:54 pm to
It’s great but I love the three B’s the most.

ETA: Italy has the most varietals by far of any country.
This post was edited on 3/17/22 at 8:55 pm
Posted by GEAUXT
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Posted on 3/18/22 at 6:15 am to
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Catena Zapata in Mendoza


Their Nicholas Red is one of my favorites in the $100ish category.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 3/18/22 at 7:42 am to
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French wines are essentially California wines due a a blight that decimated the French vineyards some years back and they were reseeded from California vineyards.



Eh, hate to be the ackshually guy, but this isn't really accurate.
Posted by pmacneworleans
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Posted on 3/18/22 at 8:26 am to
Been in Seville for almost a year, and the Spanish red wines are incredible. Most are small volume producers and not exported, unfortunately. We can get great Priorats, Ribera del Dueros, and Riojas for 5-7 euros. Wines are more fruit oriented now, but not nearly as oaked as California reds. Quality Spanish white wines are harder to find, but we have found some nice muscadets and verdejos in a similar price range.
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 3/18/22 at 11:24 am to


I think it was you who posted about enoteca la fortezza in montalcino a while back? My wife and I went to Italy last year and checked it out when we were staying in montalcino. What an amazing place, and the people were fantastic.

Work was done

This post was edited on 3/18/22 at 11:29 am
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 3/18/22 at 12:20 pm to
It was me and again welcome back. Best enoteca in the world. The aftermath of our last tasting there.

This post was edited on 3/18/22 at 12:21 pm
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 3/18/22 at 12:33 pm to


We were sitting at the table behind that one!
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