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re: True Italian Spaghetti Sauce
Posted on 10/13/20 at 12:24 pm to puffulufogous
Posted on 10/13/20 at 12:24 pm to puffulufogous
To answer your question here’s what I have to say:
I brown ground meat, add bell peppers onions garlic and rotel. Then I add some ragu or prego or Classico spaghetti sauce. I see movies of people making spaghetti sauce and it takes all day to make. I want to try something like that.
I brown ground meat, add bell peppers onions garlic and rotel. Then I add some ragu or prego or Classico spaghetti sauce. I see movies of people making spaghetti sauce and it takes all day to make. I want to try something like that.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 12:40 pm to puffulufogous
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puffulufogous
This is my exact same method, except I never thought to add green olives. I’ll try that next time.
I do plenty of tasting and seasoning all the way, though I’m sure you do too. Just wanted to state that for the OP. Garlic powder, onion powder, kosher salt, pepper, etc.
Also OP - cook your pasta al dente then simmer your sauce and your pasta together with a little pasta water. This is how you get the sauce to stick to the pasta. Dumping sauce on plain noodles on a plate will just cause it to slide off of the slippery noodles.
This goes for all types of pasta.
This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 10/13/20 at 12:52 pm to LouisianaLady
Oh ok.
Cool thanks for the tip.
Cool thanks for the tip.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 2:13 pm to thermal9221
Gravy has some sort of protein in it. Sauce does not. My great grandmother/grandmother and mother made gravy for past and sauce for eggplant parm/veal parm/friend eggplant /calamari.
Sicilian Style
Gravy can have any protein, but traditionally it’s pork , l’anise (Italian sausage) and meatballs. Brown the sausage and pork. Drain grease. Add fine chopped onions, 3 anchovy fillets and a little olive oil. When caramalized , add paste. Fry paste for 20 minutes. Add crushed tomatoes. Add equal amount of water or stock as paste and tomatoes. Cool down until volume reduces by half. Add chopped garlic, basil and a little oregano. Not too much oregano or the sauce gets acidic. Add a little sugar to taste , along with salt and fresh black pepper. Fresh basil makes a huge difference in the flavor. I strongly recommend.
Sauce
Boil toes of garlic and reserve water. Remove toes when Tender and add paste and crushed tomatoes. Reduce by 1/3. Add garlic after smashing it and a ton of chopped basil. A little sugar , salt and pepper. This sauce is much more delicate and the tomato should be enhanced by everything , not over powered by any of them. Again, this sauce is to show off your eggplant , calamari , etc so you want it light and delicate, not heavy like gravy.
Pink sauce
Mix half gravy and half heavy cream. Adjust based upon taste. Add more basil. Use this for stuffed pasta like large shells, ravioli, cannelloni , etc and fried pork /veal. This sauce is a show stopper and one that I serve with him made stuffed pasta to show off a bit. It’s rich and decadent.
Sicilian Style
Gravy can have any protein, but traditionally it’s pork , l’anise (Italian sausage) and meatballs. Brown the sausage and pork. Drain grease. Add fine chopped onions, 3 anchovy fillets and a little olive oil. When caramalized , add paste. Fry paste for 20 minutes. Add crushed tomatoes. Add equal amount of water or stock as paste and tomatoes. Cool down until volume reduces by half. Add chopped garlic, basil and a little oregano. Not too much oregano or the sauce gets acidic. Add a little sugar to taste , along with salt and fresh black pepper. Fresh basil makes a huge difference in the flavor. I strongly recommend.
Sauce
Boil toes of garlic and reserve water. Remove toes when Tender and add paste and crushed tomatoes. Reduce by 1/3. Add garlic after smashing it and a ton of chopped basil. A little sugar , salt and pepper. This sauce is much more delicate and the tomato should be enhanced by everything , not over powered by any of them. Again, this sauce is to show off your eggplant , calamari , etc so you want it light and delicate, not heavy like gravy.
Pink sauce
Mix half gravy and half heavy cream. Adjust based upon taste. Add more basil. Use this for stuffed pasta like large shells, ravioli, cannelloni , etc and fried pork /veal. This sauce is a show stopper and one that I serve with him made stuffed pasta to show off a bit. It’s rich and decadent.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 2:24 pm to michael corleone
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michael corleone
Those recipes sound delicious. Bookmarked
Have a buddy whose grandparents came off the boat, and cook their meatball recipe often.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 3:37 pm to LSUEnvy
I haven't seen anybody mention it probably already was but make sure you are using San Marzanos when you make sauce. You should also use a little of the red wine you plan on drinking.
When you serve the dish, add the pasta to another heating pan, toss in the pasta and sauce and make sure you toss it with your salted pasta water so the pasta soaks up the sauce.
When you serve the dish, add the pasta to another heating pan, toss in the pasta and sauce and make sure you toss it with your salted pasta water so the pasta soaks up the sauce.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 7:18 pm to wutangfinancial
quote:San Marzanos (crushed)
San Marzanos when you make sauce. You should also use a little of the red wine you plan on drinking.
Chianti and molasses instead of sugar. Italian restaurant owner gave me that advice.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 7:56 pm to madamsquirrel
Consider mincing some carrot into the sauté stage early and cooking down in the sauce. Will sweeten the tomatoes naturally.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 9:19 pm to wutangfinancial
quote:
When you serve the dish, add the pasta to another heating pan, toss in the pasta and sauce and make sure you toss it with your salted pasta water so the pasta soaks up the sauce.
Never change, TD.
6 downvotes on me saying this first.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 9:26 pm to LouisianaLady
Never pay attention to votes. They are meaningless and have been silly from the start. I suspect they add clicks for money for the site. I could be wrong.
This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 10/13/20 at 9:47 pm to LeClerc
Marcella Hazan’s Tomato Sauce
This is perhaps the most famous recipe created by Marcella Hazan, the cookbook author who changed how Americans cook Italian food. It also may be her easiest. Use your favorite canned tomatoes for this and don’t be scared off by the butter. It gives the sauce an unparalleled velvety richness.
INGREDIENTS
2 cups tomatoes, in addition to their juices (for example, a 28-ounce can of San Marzano whole peeled tomatoes)
5 tablespoons butter
1 onion, peeled and cut in half
Salt
PREPARATION
Combine the tomatoes, their juices, the butter and the onion halves in a saucepan. Add a pinch or two of salt.
Place over medium heat and bring to a simmer. Cook, uncovered, for about 45 minutes. Stir occasionally, mashing any large pieces of tomato with a spoon. Add salt as needed.
Discard the onion before tossing the sauce with pasta. This recipe makes enough sauce for a pound of pasta.
This is perhaps the most famous recipe created by Marcella Hazan, the cookbook author who changed how Americans cook Italian food. It also may be her easiest. Use your favorite canned tomatoes for this and don’t be scared off by the butter. It gives the sauce an unparalleled velvety richness.
INGREDIENTS
2 cups tomatoes, in addition to their juices (for example, a 28-ounce can of San Marzano whole peeled tomatoes)
5 tablespoons butter
1 onion, peeled and cut in half
Salt
PREPARATION
Combine the tomatoes, their juices, the butter and the onion halves in a saucepan. Add a pinch or two of salt.
Place over medium heat and bring to a simmer. Cook, uncovered, for about 45 minutes. Stir occasionally, mashing any large pieces of tomato with a spoon. Add salt as needed.
Discard the onion before tossing the sauce with pasta. This recipe makes enough sauce for a pound of pasta.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 9:56 pm to tlsu15
That’s true Italian ...and why I prefer American- Italian cooking. No offense intended.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 9:58 pm to OTIS2
I haven't made that recipe but it sounds almost too simple. One day when I'm feeling cheap I'll make it just to try it out.
At the very least I would want to add fresh basil.
At the very least I would want to add fresh basil.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 10:07 pm to tlsu15
I follow a foodie guy on IG that shared her recipe and has kinda gone viral for his page. I assume the butter gives the flavor, but it feels wrong (especially as a Louisianan) to not use seasoning.
One thing is that other brands of whole tomatoes that aren't San Marzano (which I usually get Cento) are dramatically different. I bought whole tomatoes from Hunts or something the other day because the store didn't carry Cento and I was just using it in something not-Italian. When I opened the can and saw hard tomatoes sitting in water instead of thick sauce, I was so sad.
Your average person probably looks at the canned tomato aisle and sees that its $2 for 28oz of whole tomatoes from any other brand (including Cento) and $5 for the certified San Marzano ones. So they buy the worse one and the sauce ends up not nearly as good.
One thing is that other brands of whole tomatoes that aren't San Marzano (which I usually get Cento) are dramatically different. I bought whole tomatoes from Hunts or something the other day because the store didn't carry Cento and I was just using it in something not-Italian. When I opened the can and saw hard tomatoes sitting in water instead of thick sauce, I was so sad.
Your average person probably looks at the canned tomato aisle and sees that its $2 for 28oz of whole tomatoes from any other brand (including Cento) and $5 for the certified San Marzano ones. So they buy the worse one and the sauce ends up not nearly as good.
This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 10/13/20 at 10:37 pm to OTIS2
quote:
Consider mincing some carrot into the sauté stage early and cooking down in the sauce.
I don't know why more people don't do this. Not using soffrito in Italian cooking is like not using trinity in a Cajun dish.
Also, I learned the hard way that if you want a smoother sauce, you need to avoid calcium chloride in the tomatoes. Read those cans!
This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 10/14/20 at 8:41 am to LouisianaLady
quote:Absolutely this. The sauce doesn't thicken correctly and the taste is no where near the same.
Your average person probably looks at the canned tomato aisle and sees that its $2 for 28oz of whole tomatoes from any other brand (including Cento) and $5 for the certified San Marzano ones. So they buy the worse one and the sauce ends up not nearly as good.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:08 am to TigerstuckinMS
quote:
I don't know why more people don't do this. Not using soffrito in Italian cooking is like not using trinity in a Cajun dish.
Carrots, celery, onion. Italian trinity. People typically don't think of carrots and celery in a pasta sauce.
I will second LL's Cento recommendation. I know every store in my area that doesn't have the brand and avoid like the plague.
This post was edited on 10/14/20 at 11:10 am
Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:23 am to tlsu15
quote:
Marcella Hazan’s Tomato Sauce
This was in our meal rotation for a while but haven't cooked it in ages....it's just not all that exciting or flavorful. It's decent, just so damn plain.
Corleone nailed it...it's more work to make delicious.
As to the "pink sauce", that's also where you get vodka sauce from. Take maybe 1/4-1/2# of diced pancetta, brown it a bit, use a half cup of vodka to deglaze the pan. Reduce by half. Add tomatoes, simmer for 15-20 mins. Add heavy cream. Super good.
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