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Roux separated on me again. Past 2 times it has separated. Help
Posted on 2/15/21 at 9:56 am
Posted on 2/15/21 at 9:56 am
2 part. How can fix with out power just a gas stove?
Also what is causing this?
Process: oven roux to dark chocolate color. Pour excess oil off, put roux in Dutch oven add vegetables till soften, slowly pouring in cold stock and it separates. Boil it and it’s still separated. I have never had a roux separate until the past 2 times when using my Dutch oven. I have always done boiling stock scoop roux but I know you can do it the way I am trying to using a Dutch oven. What is causing my issue?
Also what is causing this?
Process: oven roux to dark chocolate color. Pour excess oil off, put roux in Dutch oven add vegetables till soften, slowly pouring in cold stock and it separates. Boil it and it’s still separated. I have never had a roux separate until the past 2 times when using my Dutch oven. I have always done boiling stock scoop roux but I know you can do it the way I am trying to using a Dutch oven. What is causing my issue?
Posted on 2/15/21 at 9:59 am to thadcastle
Maybe it’s the cold stock??? Is it cold or room temp?
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:00 am to thadcastle
I usually heat up the stock in a separate pot, and add it slowly to the roux, Cold stock can cause the oil to separate in the roux.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:01 am to patnuh
quote:
Maybe it’s the cold stock??? Is it cold or room temp?
Well room temp in Houston right now is 48 degrees
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:09 am to thadcastle
Did you use the same flour for the last two cooks?
Had this happen to me on consecutive cooks, replaced my flour, problem went away.
ETA: Wasn't a brand issue, just the age of the flour itself. Sometimes even "new" bags can be old before they even hit the shelves.
Had this happen to me on consecutive cooks, replaced my flour, problem went away.
ETA: Wasn't a brand issue, just the age of the flour itself. Sometimes even "new" bags can be old before they even hit the shelves.
This post was edited on 2/15/21 at 10:11 am
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:14 am to xXLSUXx
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Did you use the same flour for the last two cooks?
This is the likely culprit.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:23 am to thadcastle
I’d say your cold stock and adding all the stock at once is the issue. Typically, I will add only 10% or so at a time until it boils.
Funny though, when you look back at old school Cajun recipes, those folks add their finished hot roux into the boiling stock, whereas nowadays we add the stock to the roux.
Funny though, when you look back at old school Cajun recipes, those folks add their finished hot roux into the boiling stock, whereas nowadays we add the stock to the roux.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:46 am to thadcastle
It’s only happened to me twice, both with flour that I never buy typically (I was out and somebody grabbed some on the way over). I wanna say it was Martha White. I’ve only ever bought/used Gold Medal just cause that’s what my family always used. Anyways, whether that particular bag of Martha White was bad, or Martha White flour in general makes for a shite roux I cant say. I just know it was the common denominator the only two times it happened to me. I know some recipes will say heat your stock first, but I’ve always stirred stock right from the carton into piping hot roux with no issues.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:50 am to thadcastle
Most likely old flour.
When using oven or jar roux, I add room temp roux to boiling stock. Never had it separate. Been using oven roux for fifty years. Only times it’s separated is when using old flour or when I added cold stock to hot roux(I abandoned this practice
When using oven or jar roux, I add room temp roux to boiling stock. Never had it separate. Been using oven roux for fifty years. Only times it’s separated is when using old flour or when I added cold stock to hot roux(I abandoned this practice
This post was edited on 2/15/21 at 11:00 am
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:56 am to thadcastle
quote:
pouring in cold stock
It’s this
You need warm (not boiling) stock to the roux. I always let my roux cool for 10 mins with the veggies added before I add the hot stock
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:57 am to Bear Is Dead
quote:
I’d say your cold stock and adding all the stock at once is the issue. Typically, I will add only 10% or so at a time until it boils.
Funny though, when you look back at old school Cajun recipes, those folks add their finished hot roux into the boiling stock, whereas nowadays we add the stock to the roux.
Hot roux, cold stock.
Cold stock, hot roux.
I most always, at least for gumbos, make the roux separate then add to hot stock because I normally make a half gallon of roux at a time-enough for a couple gumbos or more depending on who I’m feeding.
But you are correct in adding a little at a time and I whisk the hell out of it. Same with thickening a gravy.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 11:12 am to thadcastle
IMO, old flour. I've seen this thread repeated enough to know that people incorporate every way you can think of, 99% of the time without issue. your method is solid, your flour likely isn't.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 11:39 am to Bear Is Dead
quote:
Funny though, when you look back at old school Cajun recipes, those folks add their finished hot roux into the boiling stock, whereas nowadays we add the stock to the roux.
I add my hot roux to my boiling stock. I make my roux in a pan, not the gumbo pot. That's used for making the stock.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 11:57 am to hashtag
quote:
IMO, old flour. I've seen this thread repeated enough to know that people incorporate every way you can think of, 99% of the time without issue. your method is solid, your flour likely isn't.
Pretty much. Flour goes bad in 3-4 months. Can extend life in icebox and longer in freezer but most people just don’t realize it goes bad to begin with.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 12:01 pm to thadcastle
From John Folse's Encyclopedia:
Posted on 2/15/21 at 12:03 pm to thadcastle
Here's what John Folse has to say about this subject:
Posted on 2/15/21 at 12:04 pm to Twenty 49
quote:Beat me to it.
Twenty 49
Posted on 2/15/21 at 12:44 pm to thadcastle
Yeah cold stock is the problem
Posted on 2/15/21 at 1:16 pm to thadcastle
I cook the roux in the oven, take it out and add the trinity. I cook that until soft. Then, I add it by ladles full stirring it in, to a big pot of simmering stock. Never had it separate.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 1:20 pm to Bear Is Dead
quote:
Funny though, when you look back at old school Cajun recipes, those folks add their finished hot roux into the boiling stock, whereas nowadays we add the stock to the roux.
When making gumbo, I've never added stock to the roux. I make a lot of gumbo at one time, so I always make the roux and add it to the simmering stock.
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