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Roux separated on me again. Past 2 times it has separated. Help

Posted on 2/15/21 at 9:56 am
Posted by thadcastle
Member since Dec 2019
2615 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 9:56 am
2 part. How can fix with out power just a gas stove?
Also what is causing this?

Process: oven roux to dark chocolate color. Pour excess oil off, put roux in Dutch oven add vegetables till soften, slowly pouring in cold stock and it separates. Boil it and it’s still separated. I have never had a roux separate until the past 2 times when using my Dutch oven. I have always done boiling stock scoop roux but I know you can do it the way I am trying to using a Dutch oven. What is causing my issue?
Posted by patnuh
South LA
Member since Sep 2005
6717 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 9:59 am to
Maybe it’s the cold stock??? Is it cold or room temp?
Posted by ElonTiger
Shreveport, LA
Member since Sep 2013
14 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:00 am to
I usually heat up the stock in a separate pot, and add it slowly to the roux, Cold stock can cause the oil to separate in the roux.
Posted by thadcastle
Member since Dec 2019
2615 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:01 am to
quote:

Maybe it’s the cold stock??? Is it cold or room temp?

Well room temp in Houston right now is 48 degrees
Posted by xXLSUXx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Oct 2010
10306 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:09 am to
Did you use the same flour for the last two cooks?

Had this happen to me on consecutive cooks, replaced my flour, problem went away.

ETA: Wasn't a brand issue, just the age of the flour itself. Sometimes even "new" bags can be old before they even hit the shelves.
This post was edited on 2/15/21 at 10:11 am
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
16557 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:14 am to
quote:

Did you use the same flour for the last two cooks?


This is the likely culprit.
Posted by Bear Is Dead
Monroe
Member since Nov 2007
4696 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:23 am to
I’d say your cold stock and adding all the stock at once is the issue. Typically, I will add only 10% or so at a time until it boils.

Funny though, when you look back at old school Cajun recipes, those folks add their finished hot roux into the boiling stock, whereas nowadays we add the stock to the roux.
Posted by Soul Gleaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:46 am to
It’s only happened to me twice, both with flour that I never buy typically (I was out and somebody grabbed some on the way over). I wanna say it was Martha White. I’ve only ever bought/used Gold Medal just cause that’s what my family always used. Anyways, whether that particular bag of Martha White was bad, or Martha White flour in general makes for a shite roux I cant say. I just know it was the common denominator the only two times it happened to me. I know some recipes will say heat your stock first, but I’ve always stirred stock right from the carton into piping hot roux with no issues.
Posted by DocHolliday1964
Member since Dec 2012
1305 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:50 am to
Most likely old flour.

When using oven or jar roux, I add room temp roux to boiling stock. Never had it separate. Been using oven roux for fifty years. Only times it’s separated is when using old flour or when I added cold stock to hot roux(I abandoned this practice
This post was edited on 2/15/21 at 11:00 am
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
32647 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:56 am to
quote:

pouring in cold stock


It’s this

You need warm (not boiling) stock to the roux. I always let my roux cool for 10 mins with the veggies added before I add the hot stock
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
48840 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:57 am to
quote:

I’d say your cold stock and adding all the stock at once is the issue. Typically, I will add only 10% or so at a time until it boils.

Funny though, when you look back at old school Cajun recipes, those folks add their finished hot roux into the boiling stock, whereas nowadays we add the stock to the roux.



Hot roux, cold stock.
Cold stock, hot roux.

I most always, at least for gumbos, make the roux separate then add to hot stock because I normally make a half gallon of roux at a time-enough for a couple gumbos or more depending on who I’m feeding.

But you are correct in adding a little at a time and I whisk the hell out of it. Same with thickening a gravy.
Posted by hashtag
Comfy, AF
Member since Aug 2005
27480 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 11:12 am to
IMO, old flour. I've seen this thread repeated enough to know that people incorporate every way you can think of, 99% of the time without issue. your method is solid, your flour likely isn't.
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
81199 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 11:39 am to
quote:

Funny though, when you look back at old school Cajun recipes, those folks add their finished hot roux into the boiling stock, whereas nowadays we add the stock to the roux.



I add my hot roux to my boiling stock. I make my roux in a pan, not the gumbo pot. That's used for making the stock.
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
48840 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 11:57 am to
quote:

IMO, old flour. I've seen this thread repeated enough to know that people incorporate every way you can think of, 99% of the time without issue. your method is solid, your flour likely isn't.



Pretty much. Flour goes bad in 3-4 months. Can extend life in icebox and longer in freezer but most people just don’t realize it goes bad to begin with.
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
18769 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 12:01 pm to
From John Folse's Encyclopedia:

Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
9557 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 12:03 pm to
Here's what John Folse has to say about this subject:

Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
9557 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 12:04 pm to
quote:

Twenty 49
Beat me to it.
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38259 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 12:44 pm to
Yeah cold stock is the problem
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
47379 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 1:16 pm to
I cook the roux in the oven, take it out and add the trinity. I cook that until soft. Then, I add it by ladles full stirring it in, to a big pot of simmering stock. Never had it separate.

Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
47379 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 1:20 pm to
quote:

Funny though, when you look back at old school Cajun recipes, those folks add their finished hot roux into the boiling stock, whereas nowadays we add the stock to the roux.




When making gumbo, I've never added stock to the roux. I make a lot of gumbo at one time, so I always make the roux and add it to the simmering stock.
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