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re: Rice and Gravy Rump Roast

Posted on 6/24/16 at 10:49 am to
Posted by Cajunate
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
3582 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 10:49 am to
Oh ohhhh...... yesterday afternoon I made a chicken etouffee for dinner tonight. Lol.......
Post to come later.
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
4975 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 11:06 am to
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None of the examples you listed are made with a cajun roux. Oil and flour used separately in a dish do not constitute a roux. In cajun country a traditional rice and gravy is not made with a roux. A similar dish to rice and gravy made with a roux is called a fricasse or a stew.





Well, unless a Cajun roux is something other than oil and flour browned to the color of your likeness, they indeed are.

And just what, exactly, are you calling "Cajun country"? I mean...I've grown up with most of my neighbors sitting on their porch speaking French about all of us little brats running around everywhere. I'm 20 minutes from the nearest Walmart. I took French in high school because that's what everyone around here speaks, and Spanish wasn't even an option. My last name is about as coonass as it comes. And somehow, despite all of that, the accepted term for something you put over rice, regardless if it has roux or not, is "gravy".

I swear. Some of you food board purists are out of control. Lol
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 11:11 am to
You make a dark roux for biscuits and gravy? For a turkey gravy?

The people where you grew up would make a roux for a traditional rice and gravy? Like with round steak? I have never heard of such a thing and it sounds like no one else here has either. Please explain your process for making a rice and gravy with round steak.
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
49636 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 11:11 am to
I don't care whether you use a roux or not, it's gravy.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
112628 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 11:16 am to
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I don't care whether you use a roux or not, it's gravy.
Yep. Mouton is just on a carb deficit, he is angry
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 11:16 am to
Sure it is but when people refer to rice and gravy they are referring to a gravy like in the op not one made with a roux.
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 11:18 am to
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Yep. Mouton is just on a carb deficit, he is angry


I am almost done with a 24 hour fast so yeah Im a little fricking edgy. You got a problem or something???
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
52769 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 11:18 am to
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I have never heard of such a thing and it sounds like no one else here has either


You need to get out more.

Frat, the problem arises from a failure to differentiate the DISH "rice n gravy" from the byproduct/accompaniment "gravy". For most (many coonasses apparently excluded) there are many gravy variations. But, for a "rice n gravy"...the coonass dish...the accepted "gravy" methodology is very rigid, or barely variable for some.
This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 11:20 am
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
10252 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 11:21 am to
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Frat, the problem arises from a failure to differentiate the DISH "rice n gravy" from the byproduct/accompaniment "gravy". For most (many coonasses apparently excluded) there are many gravy variations. But, for a "rice n gravy"...the coonass dish...the accepted "gravy" methodology is very rigid, or barely variable for some.

I think this is the essence of the disagreement here. You nailed it, Otis.
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 11:30 am to
He did nail it. You can make gravy a myriad of different ways but when most refer to rice and gravy it made a pretty specific way which does not include a roux. I mean in South La we make tons of different stews and gravies we serve over rice that we dont call rice and gravy like an ettoufe, creole, sauce piquant etc
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
112628 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 12:37 pm to
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You got a problem or something???
Not at all. I eat zero carbs monday-friday. I feel your pain
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 12:45 pm to
I just had a giant burger and now drinking a Kbs so I'm groovy now.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
16413 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 1:01 pm to
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The people where you grew up would make a roux for a traditional rice and gravy? Like with round steak? I have never heard of such a thing and it sounds like no one else here has either. Please explain your process for making a rice and gravy with round steak.


I made a meatball stew last night and obviously any Cajun stew uses the fat from the browned meat along with a little added oil/butter and flour to make a roux the color of a rich nut brown. Youre right in that stew/fricasse' (which is just a thicker stew heavier on the roux) is used for that. But to me, rice and gravy is always better when it's thicker. I will make a roux with the fat drippings from anything whether it's ducks, meatballs, pork fingers, chicken leg quarters, lamb chops, oxtail, Boston butt, etc. The thickness of the gravy determines what I will call.
Very thin - just a gravy (almost never this as I like my rice to be coated and not sitting on top of a thin gravy)
A little thicker - Stew
Very thick (like a reduced gumbo) - Fricasse'
1/2 roux & 1/2 tomato sauce - Courtbouillon
1/4 roux & 3/4 tomato sauce - Sauce Picante'

They ALL start out with a roux from the drippings for me. I don't care if that's traditional or not, it's better IMO.

It's ALL rice and gravy to me, unless it's a gumbo.
This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 1:04 pm
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
30557 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 1:11 pm to
When you "sear meat" you shouldn't use a fork to move it, it will allow the juices to run out.

Get some tongs baw
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 5:51 pm to
Fratguy I would like to compare your method for cooking rice and gravy compared to mine. Maybe we could both cook and compare?
Posted by Cajunate
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
3582 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 5:55 pm to
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Fratguy I would like to compare your method for cooking rice and gravy compared to mine. Maybe we could both cook and compare?


Am I hearing a "Rice and Gravy THROWDOWN" competition gauntlet being thrown?
That would be interesting. Like the "Gumbo Challenge" thing not long ago I think we should have a "your BEST Cook" challenge.
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 6:07 pm to
This is going to be a straight up bloodbath partner.
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
4975 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 11:06 pm to
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You make a dark roux for biscuits and gravy? For a turkey gravy?


So here's another question for you. It has to be dark to be a roux? Flour and oil cooked together in a pan has to reach a certain color before it can be called roux? What about a blonde roux? shite. Better change the culinary books. That's not roux. Btw, what color is turkey gravy around your part of Cajun country? And for the record, no gravy for my turkey. Was just using that as an example of a sauce, that is widely known and accepted as a "gravy" which contains roux. By your definition, gravy consists of onions, meat drippings and bits, and stock or water. Yet, I can give you multiple examples of gravies that contain flour, roux, and other things contradictory to your definition.

As far as round steak...I can't tell you the last time I've cooked it. I'd rather roast. And I can guarantee you when I cook it, it won't be a plow point gravy. Not my thing. Colored rice. Nah.
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
52769 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 11:20 pm to
You'd get your arse kicked past Saturn if that's your best effort at a coonass rice n gravy.
This post was edited on 6/25/16 at 6:17 am
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139236 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 11:37 pm to
Nate made me hungry so I whipped one up


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