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Rendered chicken fat (schmaltz) for C/S Gumbo Roux?

Posted on 11/6/23 at 8:09 am
Posted by NOLAGT
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 8:09 am
Any of yall ever did this or tried it someplace before?

I have been rendering the fat I trim off thighs for the fam and using it to cook eggs in the morning (delish if you haven't tried it). I am wondering if it would make a good roux for a C/S gumbo, not add any flavor, or be too overpowering. The fam is just not a fan of using whole chicken parts in the gumbo to add flavors because it adds stuff you have to clean up/pick through sometimes. My thought is using the schmaltz and using a bone broth to add the extra flavors while just using boneless skinless thighs/breast.
Posted by gumbo2176
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 8:25 am to
I've used just about all fat types to make a roux for gumbo that include chicken fat, tallow, bacon grease, vegetable oil and lard.

I find the chicken fat and tallow do add a bit of flavor to the gumbo and I can smell it when the roux is cooking more so than plain vegetable oil or lard. And no, it is not overpowering.
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 9:04 am
Posted by NOLAGT
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 8:32 am to
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I've used just about all fat types to make a roux for gumbo


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gumbo2176


Name checks out /thread



While we are here one more Q what is your chicken fat to flour ratio for how much liquid you add?
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 8:34 am
Posted by gumbo2176
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 8:55 am to
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While we are here one more Q what is your chicken fat to flour ratio for how much liquid you add?



I NEVER measure and the liquid I add depends on the type gumbo I'm making or who I'm making it for.

For chicken/andouille/okra gumbo I'll add fried turkey or chicken stock and if for myself, I'll toss in some shrimp or crawfish stock to kick it up a notch.

However, I sometimes make it in big enough batches to feed 100 people at an event and am mindful of some folks having seafood allergies, so I never add it when cooking for large groups.

Now, for my seafood gumbo, always shrimp and/or crawfish stock and if I have it, oyster liquor.

I like my gumbo to be fairly thick and not a runny/soupy mess so I don't add a ton of liquid to my roux and trinity when first starting out. I am mindful it will thicken up some as it cooks down and liquid evaporates and keep that in mind.
Posted by Professor Dawghair
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 8:58 am to
I haven't but I love chicken fat for cooking eggs. As Louis CK says, total domination of a species.

I've used duck fat to make a roux for that Plantation Shrimp Creole recipe which is in the recipe book on this board. It smelled very different (and good) when making it. And I think I prefer it to bacon grease which the recipe calls for.
Posted by Ash Williams
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 9:10 am to
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I've used duck fat to make a roux


I like to use duck fat for my roux

But I also render my sausage pieces down before adding the duck fat to incorporate some rendered sausage fat into the roux as well.
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 9:52 am to
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I have been rendering the fat I trim off thighs for the fam and using it to cook eggs in the morning (delish if you haven't tried it).


Gosh, that’s just gross. The is the last thing on earth I’d want to try.
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 9:53 am
Posted by Semper Gumby
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 9:56 am to
This is the way! Animal fats are far superior to any vegetable oil/canola for rouxs, sautéing, or pan frying.
Posted by NOLAGT
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:04 am to
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Gosh, that’s just gross. The is the last thing on earth I’d want to try.


Ya missing out really. Its no different than the other rendered fats out there. When possible I like to match my protein with the fat I start with.

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Animal fats are far superior to any vegetable oil/canola for rouxs, sautéing, or pan frying.


Thats the camp im in...not sure if its the healthiest but to me its a more natural fat I did also just learn that 100% real wagyu fat has the opposite makeup than regular beef tallow. It is loaded with the healthy fats and fatty acids.
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 10:10 am
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:06 am to
much easier to just use lard
Posted by NOLAGT
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:09 am to
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much easier to just use lard



For sure but I have the chicken fat already and I want the extra flavor since I like to use boneless skinless chicken. No reason to toss out usable fat imo.
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:10 am to
We go through a good bit to get the fat OFF the chicken…even if we are just cooking boneless, skinless thighs in a skillet. Just tastes better when you trim them well.
Posted by NOLAGT
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:13 am to
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We go through a good bit to get the fat OFF the chicken


Same here the fam does not like biting into globs of fat on the chicken but I'll render some down and sear the boneless skinless fat removed chicken in the oil for the flavor, and its free.
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:16 am to
True. And its already right there.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 11/7/23 at 6:04 am to
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not sure if its the healthiest


Much healthier than vegetable oils.
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 11/7/23 at 6:43 am to
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Gosh, that’s just gross. The is the last thing on earth I’d want to try.

Says the weirdo obsessed with raw ground beef
Posted by jmon
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Posted on 11/7/23 at 8:30 am to
I use the renewed fat from the smoked turkey stock I make every thanksgiving. It has a lower smoke point and higher water content, so you need to bring the heat up slowly and combine a higher smoke point fat with it prior to introducing the flour for the roux. The depth of flavor oil the roux is incredible.
Posted by NOLAGT
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Posted on 11/7/23 at 8:50 am to
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Much healthier than vegetable oils.



That's what I really think as well. I just cant see how processing vegetables into oil can be great for you. Animal fat/oil is naturally occurring and been part of the human diet since the dawn of time.

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so you need to bring the heat up slowly and combine a higher smoke point fat with it prior to introducing the flour for the roux.


I am going to fry up the sausage in some of it first to get some of that juice in the mix. I had seen that chicken was a 25deg lower for a smoke point. I can tell when using it for eggs that it smokes easier. Ill just go slower with the roux or maybe try out a oven roux this time since thats at 350.
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 8:56 am
Posted by Gugich22
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Posted on 11/7/23 at 1:33 pm to
I always brown my sausage in a little bit of bacon grease first and then brown my chicken after pulling out the sausage. I'll then strain the liquid/fat that's in the bottom of the pot and use that (along with some additional fat - peanut oil, veggie oil, bacon fat, etc. whatever is lying around) to make my roux. I find that chicken fat/juice mixed with the sausage fat/juice makes a damn great base for a roux.
Posted by GeauxTigers0107
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Posted on 11/7/23 at 2:37 pm to
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using it to cook eggs in the morning (delish if you haven't tried it).


Learned something new today. I've always used bacon fat or avocado oil. I will certainly be trying this out soon. What's your process for rendering? I'd imagine low heat?
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