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re: PuttaDaForkDown
Posted on 6/20/12 at 4:27 pm to CAD703X
Posted on 6/20/12 at 4:27 pm to CAD703X
quote:
isses me off..his weight loss looks like a straight line from jan to today.
I dropped 100 in the first 9 months. My old graph looked pretty good.
Now it doesn't look so good.
Especially after eating EVERYTHING within reach yesterday. This whole office food thing is cracking me!!!
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Posted on 6/20/12 at 8:41 pm to TigerMyth36
dieting is like dating and CSNY, Love the one you're with. 
Posted on 6/20/12 at 9:05 pm to Benchwarmer
Ran the 2 mile race today and set a new pr since I started running again. 15:44, which is 21 seconds better than my time two weeks ago. Tried spaghetti squash tonight and it's a good sub for noodles.
255/210.3/205
255/210.3/205
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:16 pm to Hulkklogan
quote:
What say you?
the BB forum is correct.
This post was edited on 6/21/12 at 8:46 am
Posted on 6/21/12 at 5:25 am to rocket31
quote:
the BB forum is correct. i eat pop tarts daily and am one shredded kunt. u mad?
No, and you also didn't answer my question. Get out with the trolling.
363/274.2/250
actually a little down, was 274.6 yesterday
This post was edited on 6/21/12 at 5:26 am
Posted on 6/21/12 at 7:40 am to Hulkklogan
170/150.5/147
wobble
wobble
Posted on 6/21/12 at 8:59 am to Hulkklogan
quote:
. He claims he read on body building forums that regardless of what he eats, as long as he's under 50g or so of carbs he'll be in a heavy ketogenic state.
quote:
no energy since cutting his carb intake.
Technically I would think he's right. He's tired because he is eating high glycemic index foods, blood sugar is spiking then crashing.I'm sure you've tried to educate him about eating carbs with a low GI, but sounds like you are :beatdeadhorse:
225/184,5/175
Trying to get back to my low of 181 last week. My fathers day splurge turned into a 4 day bender. I'm half way through a fast and have already lost 2.5 since ystdy.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 10:59 am to LSUEnvy
278/256.4/210
My carb intake averages around 60-70g a day. I get all of my carbs from fruits and veggies. I ahve pelnty of energy. He should be balancing his intake with complex carbs. It's like the Doctor telling you that you can drink 6 beers a week and wainting until Saturday to drink a 6 pack.
My carb intake averages around 60-70g a day. I get all of my carbs from fruits and veggies. I ahve pelnty of energy. He should be balancing his intake with complex carbs. It's like the Doctor telling you that you can drink 6 beers a week and wainting until Saturday to drink a 6 pack.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 11:12 am to LSUEnvy
quote:
I'm sure you've tried to educate him about eating carbs with a low GI, but sounds like you are
I've tried many times.. but his head is harder than mine even so I gave up. He's gonna do it his way or no way
Posted on 6/21/12 at 12:15 pm to LSUEnvy
quote:
no energy since cutting his carb intake.
Technically I would think he's right. He's tired because he is eating high glycemic index foods, blood sugar is spiking then crashing.
there's bullshite and then there's bullshite. anyone thinks they have to have carbs/sugar to have energy needs to join me on a bike ride and then we'll see whose energy holds up longer eating a low carb diet.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 12:19 pm to CAD703X
quote:
there's bullshite and then there's bullshite. anyone thinks they have to have carbs/sugar to have energy needs to join me on a bike ride and then we'll see whose energy holds up longer eating a low carb diet.
I think you misunderstand.. if you're not taking in carbs, as you know, you burn fat for energy.. but what happens when you eat bread? Even if you're under 50g carbs, your body burns the bread first for the quick sugar.. then wants more.. and if you don't give it more, it takes time to switch over to burning fat. But then he eats more bread.. and it's a cycle. No wonder he's tired. At least, that's how it works in my mind. I may be way off base
This post was edited on 6/21/12 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 6/21/12 at 1:15 pm to Hulkklogan
Low-Carb for You
Discussing the science behind the low-carb lifestyle
February 9, 2010 12:29 PM
Reamz said...
Awesome blog, but i've been wondering something for a while...
Say, you are fully ketoadapted - i.e have been eating a very low carb (some days zero carb) diet for months and feel great on it.
What happens if one day you eat a bunch of carbs (eg 100g in one go). How does your body react? Is it the same as someone who eats carbs every day (over 200g) and if not how does the body response differ? Will you continue to be keto adapted the next day, when you go back to ultra low carb?
And what if you don't just have one load of carbs, but raise your carbs for a couple of days, eating them throughout the day. Will you become glucose adapted, and then have to go through the couple of weeks it takes to be keto adapted all over again?
I've been dying to understand all this, and would appreciate any help!!
March 5, 2010 10:26 AM
Stargazey said...
It's a matter of enzymes, Reamz. When you're keto-adapted, you have induced the proper enzymes to utilize fats for energy and you are able to obtain required glucose by gluconeogenesis from glucogenic amino acids and glycerol. If you are doing zero-carb or something close to it, you will have down-regulated the enzymes required to process carbohydrate.
For that reason, if a very-low-carber has a glucose tolerance test, the results will be skewed. He/she simply will not have the enzymes available to process the glucose properly. That's why the doctor will recommend eating 100 carbs per day for about three days prior to a glucose tolerance test. It takes about that long to get the carb-processing enzymes back and functioning efficiently in the gut.
Just one day of eating 100 grams of carbs shouldn't have much effect. Because of the extra insulin requirement and a carb-induced boost in your glycogen stores, you can expect a temporary gain in water weight. Eating extra carbs long-term will switch you back to the extra insulin release leads to insulin resistance leads to fat storage mode. Which is why you can't lose weight on low-carb and maintain the weight loss on low-fat/low-calorie.
If you then go back to low-carbing, the transition to keto-adaptation should be much quicker. The body has a memory for things it has experienced before. However, because of that, you will not experience the high degree of metabolic advantage that newbie low-carbers enjoy. That may be why people say that with low-carbing you get "One Golden Shot." Low-carb still works, but after the first time it works more slowly and it's much less common to see rapid, huge weight losses.
Stargazey For those who are curious, I hold a PhD in Medical Biochemistry. My dissertation dealt with one of the mechanisms of insulin receptor signaling; however I have not actively done science for over a decade. Nonetheless, my biochemistry training showed me that the low-carb lifestyle is a valid one, and I have low-carbed successfully for more than eight years. But that's enough about me. This blog is about you.
Discussing the science behind the low-carb lifestyle
February 9, 2010 12:29 PM
Reamz said...
Awesome blog, but i've been wondering something for a while...
Say, you are fully ketoadapted - i.e have been eating a very low carb (some days zero carb) diet for months and feel great on it.
What happens if one day you eat a bunch of carbs (eg 100g in one go). How does your body react? Is it the same as someone who eats carbs every day (over 200g) and if not how does the body response differ? Will you continue to be keto adapted the next day, when you go back to ultra low carb?
And what if you don't just have one load of carbs, but raise your carbs for a couple of days, eating them throughout the day. Will you become glucose adapted, and then have to go through the couple of weeks it takes to be keto adapted all over again?
I've been dying to understand all this, and would appreciate any help!!
March 5, 2010 10:26 AM
Stargazey said...
It's a matter of enzymes, Reamz. When you're keto-adapted, you have induced the proper enzymes to utilize fats for energy and you are able to obtain required glucose by gluconeogenesis from glucogenic amino acids and glycerol. If you are doing zero-carb or something close to it, you will have down-regulated the enzymes required to process carbohydrate.
For that reason, if a very-low-carber has a glucose tolerance test, the results will be skewed. He/she simply will not have the enzymes available to process the glucose properly. That's why the doctor will recommend eating 100 carbs per day for about three days prior to a glucose tolerance test. It takes about that long to get the carb-processing enzymes back and functioning efficiently in the gut.
Just one day of eating 100 grams of carbs shouldn't have much effect. Because of the extra insulin requirement and a carb-induced boost in your glycogen stores, you can expect a temporary gain in water weight. Eating extra carbs long-term will switch you back to the extra insulin release leads to insulin resistance leads to fat storage mode. Which is why you can't lose weight on low-carb and maintain the weight loss on low-fat/low-calorie.
If you then go back to low-carbing, the transition to keto-adaptation should be much quicker. The body has a memory for things it has experienced before. However, because of that, you will not experience the high degree of metabolic advantage that newbie low-carbers enjoy. That may be why people say that with low-carbing you get "One Golden Shot." Low-carb still works, but after the first time it works more slowly and it's much less common to see rapid, huge weight losses.
Stargazey For those who are curious, I hold a PhD in Medical Biochemistry. My dissertation dealt with one of the mechanisms of insulin receptor signaling; however I have not actively done science for over a decade. Nonetheless, my biochemistry training showed me that the low-carb lifestyle is a valid one, and I have low-carbed successfully for more than eight years. But that's enough about me. This blog is about you.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 1:25 pm to LSUEnvy
quote:
Eating extra carbs long-term will switch you back to the extra insulin release leads to insulin resistance leads to fat storage mode. Which is why you can't lose weight on low-carb and maintain the weight loss on low-fat/low-calorie.
That's the only thing I disagree on, unless he means going back to eating like you were before, which I have big, resounding DUH... that's what got you fat in the first place.. eating like shite and eating a lot. If you lose weight doing a low carb diet and slowly implement carbs again, I see no reason your body wouldn't re-adapt and utilize carbs properly. Especially if you eat 'healthy' carbs that burn slowly.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 1:33 pm to Hulkklogan
i've been harrassed on bike racing forums (and IRL) because of my diet choices. its almost like how angry atheists get at christians..while paying lip-service to tolerance to ideas which you may not agree with.
then i show up for races and whip people's asses who suck down sugar like its life itself.
and of course they have a ready-response for that as well "yeah, but you would have been even stronger if you'd been eating a giant pile of pasta and slurping down sugary gel packs"
there's no arguing with these people.
having said that, i don't always stick to low carb on long rides..it would have been impossible on that long ride last weekend to avoid the carbs at the rest stops..but i tried to limit the damage.
also i go in and out of ketosis all the time..and i think my body has adjusted to the point i don't typically see massive water gains (or losses) overnight like i used to.
in fact, i broken down and ate the frick out of 2 baskets of chips yesterday at lunch along with a taco salad that must have weighed 5lbs.
but today i weighed in same as yesterday so it didn't destroy me like i thought it would.
i think the key is that i didnt go home and eat another 2 baskets of chips and 5lb salad again for dinner
then i show up for races and whip people's asses who suck down sugar like its life itself.
and of course they have a ready-response for that as well "yeah, but you would have been even stronger if you'd been eating a giant pile of pasta and slurping down sugary gel packs"
there's no arguing with these people.
having said that, i don't always stick to low carb on long rides..it would have been impossible on that long ride last weekend to avoid the carbs at the rest stops..but i tried to limit the damage.
also i go in and out of ketosis all the time..and i think my body has adjusted to the point i don't typically see massive water gains (or losses) overnight like i used to.
in fact, i broken down and ate the frick out of 2 baskets of chips yesterday at lunch along with a taco salad that must have weighed 5lbs.
but today i weighed in same as yesterday so it didn't destroy me like i thought it would.
i think the key is that i didnt go home and eat another 2 baskets of chips and 5lb salad again for dinner
This post was edited on 6/21/12 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 6/21/12 at 2:09 pm to CAD703X
quote:
i think the key is that i didnt go home and eat another 2 baskets of chips and 5lb salad again for dinner
thats where I run into problems. I carbed out for 4 days last weekend and gained 6 lbs. I've been back on low carb, cardio and a fast ending today, and am already down 2.5 lbs, and I feel so much better.I will have to not cheat this weekend and it will probably be early next week until I am back at my low. I think I may pick up some keto sticks at the drug store to check my urine to see how easily I go in/out of ketosis.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 3:58 pm to LSUEnvy
If I average 175g of carbs a day, would that be to much? I havent had a tough time getting pounds off, although I am slowing down some at this point. If I cut the carbs to 100g/day, I would guess this would speed up the weight loss process?
Posted on 6/21/12 at 5:00 pm to lsucm10
quote:
If I cut the carbs to 100g/day, I would guess this would speed up the weight loss process?
Have you ever started out doing Atkins? His induction phase limits your daily carbs to 20 or 30 a day. I usually get about 30 a day and have been for months now, but I do weekend cheats. Some bodybuilders do a CKD (cyclical ketogenic diet) where they carb load on the weekends. Cuttingyour carbs should make you lose faster, and if your getting close to your target watch your calories. You have done great what your doing so I would be hesitant to change
Posted on 6/21/12 at 5:29 pm to LSUEnvy
we have a spreadsheet which i guess i should anonymize and post on here that breaks it down very simply:
BMR + exercise - calories consumed
Mon
..
Fri
========================
Banked Calories -1,564
you get the point..you basically are looking to 'bank' -3,500 calories each week to see a 1 pound weight loss.
its uncanny how well its working for my friend..it makes it suddenly seem very easy to understand how to lose a pound (although it doesn't mean its easier to lose it)
there's always going to be a +/- 5lb variation on your weigh-ins due to water retention but over time, if you can 'bank' 3,500 calories a week, the weight steadily comes off.
BMR + exercise - calories consumed
Mon
..
Fri
========================
Banked Calories -1,564
you get the point..you basically are looking to 'bank' -3,500 calories each week to see a 1 pound weight loss.
its uncanny how well its working for my friend..it makes it suddenly seem very easy to understand how to lose a pound (although it doesn't mean its easier to lose it)
there's always going to be a +/- 5lb variation on your weigh-ins due to water retention but over time, if you can 'bank' 3,500 calories a week, the weight steadily comes off.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 7:12 am to CAD703X
363/273/250
273 is what the broken scale showed me as once and I never changed MFP to reflect that the scale was wrong.. but now it's right!
273 is what the broken scale showed me as once and I never changed MFP to reflect that the scale was wrong.. but now it's right!
Posted on 6/22/12 at 7:44 am to Hulkklogan
170/150/147
Congrats H. I'm looking forward to your entry into the 60's.
Congrats H. I'm looking forward to your entry into the 60's.
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