re: PuttaDaForkDown

With the small meals pwr is eating the calories in the juice are probably what is keeping his body from going into starvation mode and holding on to every calorie. It is almost like a modified juice and fruit/veggie fast.

Curious - what does Atkins say about whole grains as carbohydrates? Barley, bulgur, wheat berries, steel cut oats, etc. In my perhaps limited health knowledge, these are excellent components to any healthy eating plan and can help lower cholesterol.

And Hulk, perhaps you weren't following WW as written if you were starving all the time. The plan requires healthy oils daily as well as dairy, lean protein, whole grains, and fruit and vegetables. I know I'm probably biased - and largely because there's no way I could maintain Atkins-style eating for the rest of my life.

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Humankind has lived thousands and thousands of years off of meat, vegetables, fruits, and nuts. Why would meat be so bad all of a sudden?

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But potatoes, rice pasta (which have been around for a pretty long time too) can now be wrong?

I am not saying I disagree with the ? around carbs for new data, but the 'we always ate it so it must be OK' argument cuts both ways.

There are many cultures that have for thousands of years lived in dramatically high carb diets. Most cuisines have a base of starch, whether it is bread, rice, pasta, noodles etc.... Just as everyone raced to condemn red meat as pure evil, I sometime wonder if the pendulum will swing too far the other way.

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Curious - what does Atkins say about whole grains as carbohydrates? Barley, bulgur, wheat berries, steel cut oats, etc. In my perhaps limited health knowledge, these are excellent components to any healthy eating plan and can help lower cholesterol.

And Hulk, perhaps you weren't following WW as written if you were starving all the time. The plan requires healthy oils daily as well as dairy, lean protein, whole grains, and fruit and vegetables. I know I'm probably biased - and largely because there's no way I could maintain Atkins-style eating for the rest of my life.

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There's a rung of Atkins where you can start having whole grains. Most people won't reach that until pre-maintenance phase because there's too many carbs and they will likely cause a stall.

And my dad and I did WW pre-points style. Counted every calorie, fat, carb, etc. He had a book and we followed it. Carbs do not fill you up for as long as fats do, so naturally a diet like Atkins is going to keep you fuller longer. Don't get me wrong, we had meat on WW but not enough to sustain me for more than 1 1/2 - 2 hours. Then I'd eat an apple and stay hungry until dinner.

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We sustained on meats much, much, MUCH longer than carbs. Once agriculture carbs were introduced, humans became more frail. Tooth decay became rampant. Fat people became more and more common until you get to today.

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I didnt say carbs were around as long, what I said was several cultures for thousands of years have relied on carbs as staples (rice for example). And over such thousands of years that billions of people relied on rice, fat people did not become more and more common. I think consumption for 5000 years provides a reasonable enough baseline that you can consume it as a staple and still maintain an appropriate weigth.

As for being frail, what has happenned to human life expectancy over such time too? Not saying carbs extends that (repeat, not saying carbs extend that) but we cannot look at these things in isolation.

Again, I am not questioning the concerns about carbs in the modern diet or the science you provide; I am just pointing out how this stuff gets taken to the extreme... to the point someone says the consumption of a single potato means you cant have a balanced diet:

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Potatoes take up too large of a portion of your daily carbs to eat one and eat as much fruit and veggies as you should have on a balanced diet.

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With comments like that, people wonder why the board flames up so often.

Please provide the studies and evidence that show adding ONE potato to anyone's diet would make such a diet unbalanced.

Again, my argument is about the 'extremes' of the argument, not whether it is better or worse. So again, for my obviously needed education, show me the load of studies and researching showing the consumption of ONE potato means you cannot have a balanced diet... after all it is the truth.

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Please provide the studies and evidence that show adding ONE potato to anyone's diet would make such a diet unbalanced.

Again, my argument is about the 'extremes' of the argument, not whether it is better or worse. So again, for my obviously needed education, show me the load of studies and researching showing the consumption of ONE potato means you cannot have a balanced diet... after all it is the truth.

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Are you talking a potato a day or just one potato here and there?

Because one potato here and there won't hurt anything. One potato a day I would advise against. I don't have any studies in my back pocket to provide for you, it's just off of everything I've learned that I would advise against it.

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3 pound week (worst yet) and apparently I am a walking medical miracle. I consume mostly all foods in moderation and do cardio. It is beyond amazing that in spite of such unbalanced eating and time wasting that weight is being lost. Call Guinness... I need to be studied in a lab.

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And calm down man, I've stated plenty of times that you don't have to eat low carb to lose weight. I'm not personally attacking anyone, so please don't take it as such. I just believe the low carb lifestyle (50-60 carbs per day or less) is the best lifestyle. Eating mostly fruits, nuts, veggies, and meats is our natural diet and I think that's the healthiest way for us to eat.

Congrats on your success

Non-Plateausville for me.

323/182.9/173

I keep bouncing up and down around 181-183 and I've been stuck at 182.9 for a few days. I don't see how that is even possible. How can a person weigh the precise same amount 3 days in a row.

I think my scale has adapted and figured out my weigh my leg trick.

BAD LUNCH ALERT BAD LUNCH ALERT

Parkway Tavern has a shrimp poboy with my name on it. I'm having lunch with an old friend and I am going to mow down a shrimp poboy like there is no tomorrow.

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Parkway Tavern has a shrimp poboy

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mmmmmmmm

Just don't eat the potato.