re: PuttaDaForkDown

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In my opinion, you should not incorporate potatoes into a daily "healthy" diet.

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That wasnt the question that was asked. That is not the statement you disagreed with. For someone harping on reading comprehension, I would have thought you would catch that.

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Can potatoes be eaten without it being the end of the world?

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Not the question. Please work on reading comprehension.

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Of course. But I wouldn't recommend them being eaten every day.

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Not the question, please work on reading comprehension.

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You really need to go back to high school and learn some reading comprehension,

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Please dare say we are not getting into an education debate. What do you do again?

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or look for other things to crucify me on.

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I am not looking to crucify you are anything chops.

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I did not say you're not losing weight.

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Reading comprehension AGAIN. I never said anyting about me. Again Lester posed the comment saying

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"You can incorporate plain baked potatoes into your diet and be perfectly healthy, and lose weight"

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You said you Disagree. YOU said it. And note, no where does it say daily daily daily daily. Again, if reading comprehension is that important to you.....

Thus, you can only be saying one of two things... either you cant be perfectly healthy incorporating potatoes into your diet or you cant lose weight. That was the statement. Nothing more, nothing less... not daily daily daily.

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IN FACT, I stated I know there are multiple ways to lose weight and that you can have a higher carb diet and lose weight. And you can be relatively healthy eating a higher amount of carbs.

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Which is pretty much NOT what you said in what I quoted. Now if you want to crawfish, feel free... but someone might question your reading comprehension on that.

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But in my opinion (spell it ... o-p-i-n-i-o-n), eating a potato or bread and things like that every day should not be part of a daily diet.

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Alas that was not the question that was asked, nor the question you answered. I am not sure why a master of reading comprehension seems to have challenges with that.

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what the frick you eat every day on a daily basis.

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I don't have a dog in this fight, but I don't eat anything on a daily basis. I love me some variety.

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I'm not crawfishing on shite, I am answering your questions. I've answered it multiple facking times and you yet to acknowledge this.

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No you are not, you keep referring to other things. Scratch the memory banks and lets go back to the very simple question at hand.

First statement:

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You can incorporate plain baked potatoes into your diet and be perfectly healthy, and lose weight.

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Your Response:

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I guess we'll agree to disagree.

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My question: So for those of us who incorporate starchy foods including potatos into our diet (yes I am going to have a 5 ounce - 33 carb, 130 calorie russet in about 30 minutes and I had one 2 days ago, and a cup of rice last night).. are we 1) just downright unhealthy or 2) not going to lose weight?

Again, my point is you guys go so extreme and I believe you did in this post. If some dude is eating 1500-1700 calories a day of lean meat, veggies, and a freaking potato or cup of rice, I think it is ridiculous for someone to say they are not perfectly healthy or wont lose weight. Coincidently I happen to be that person right now. So I am curious, is my potato or rice a day simply making me not as healthy? Where is the research saying starches in moderation is not healthy (I am not saying old school 4-6 cup shite.. i am talking about a fricking potato or cup of rice a day). Show me the research where that is a horribly unhealthy diet.

I would cite mine but they are all conspiracy theorist based off blah blah blah.

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is my potato or rice a day simply making me not as healthy?

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That shite'll kill you.

Can't we all just get along?

Edit: Another washing.

Its all good Hulk

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Carbs with low fat is ok

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Not to rekindle, but he will disagree with you on that. That was lesters point originally (ie potatos can be part of a balanced diet where the individual is healthy and loses weight).

Hulk is arguing (and he can correct me if I am wrong) that those foods (starches) are just too unhealthy in their very nature to be part of a balanced diet.

I don't want to get into a debate again on this but there are some recent studies that show carbs are akin to poison in our body. There is a very long video on youtube where a guy uses all recent data to show that carbs are not only bad, but akin to actual poison in our bodies. I think that is going too far but there are some studies to suggest this.

Cad constantly posts articles and data which Lester refuses to read and then because Hulk doesn't post data you and Lester attack him for not showing the studies. Why should he, Cad does it constantly and yet Lester hasn't put forth a single study refuting anything stated.

By the way, as I said, I think carbs can be consumed BUT only with lowfat because otherwise the body stores it immediately instead of using it. Both diets can be healthy but only if followed precisely and of course most human beings simply don't follow either precisely.

I've said all along that once I reach my ideal weight I will add carbs back into my diet and just moderate everything better than I did in the past.

I just find Atkins to be an extremely useful tool for people that have a large amount of weight to lose.

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Cad constantly posts articles and data which Lester refuses to read and then because Hulk doesn't post data you and Lester attack him for not showing the studies

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And when made an assertion while debating CAD, I pulled about 13 studies, including ones that went again my position.

My point is he asserted the claim, and said there was research to support it. I dont think I am out of bounds to ask for such research that he voluntarily disclosed existed and was basing his position off.

Particularly when you look at what my argument is. My argument is I acknowledge the challenges with carbs but I think the results are being taken to the extreme (sort of like your poison guy). Again, I acknowledge the concerns but think they are being pushed too far. In this case, for example, I tend to consume a potato or cup a rice a day with my calorie controlled WW diet. I dont think that is 'unhealthy'. 4 potatos sure. 3 probably.. but, to me, it is all about moderation. Just as the fat hate went too extreme, I feel the carb hate has gone the same way.

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Why should he

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Because he said he opinion was based on them? *shrug* Again, he introduced the concept of research and studies, not I. Note: I see there is a history with Lester and a few of you that I am not fully aware of and plan to take the mushroom approach to it and stay in the dark.

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By the way, as I said, I think carbs can be consumed BUT only with lowfat because otherwise the body stores it immediately instead of using it. Both diets can be healthy but only if followed precisely and of course most human beings simply don't follow either precisely.

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We are on the exact same page.

Edit: And I am not joking when I say I want to see any research he has; I want to learn more about it. I am aware of the glycemic index score in the 70's, but outside Atkins I have not seen a huge amount of scientific support that starchy carbs cannot, in moderation, be part of a healthy diet.

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Last day of vacation. Only cheats have been animal crackers and bananas. But tonight I will have a cupcake and ice cream. Two of the kids are having birthdays. We will see how the weight is when I get home.

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Sounds like you've done pretty well. Probably won't be too bad Keeping honest on a vacation is no easy feat.

And igoringa.. on a low fat diet, you can have potatoes and rice and it's considered healthy by most. I personally don't think a higher carbohydrate diet is all that healthy. Yes, you can lose weight and do it very well. I just don't agree with eating that many carbs. Humans were not designed to do so. But again that's my opinion and I don't want to push that upon you. You've had great success with your way of eating and I respect you.