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re: PuttaDaForkDown
Posted on 5/25/11 at 3:51 pm to CAD703X
Posted on 5/25/11 at 3:51 pm to CAD703X
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i'm not trying to pick a fight (well ok i am) but there are **ZERO** studies out there linking high fat diet to heart disease or obesity.
Again, Im not talking about a damn diet. I am talking about this man's question about a potato. Mother frick.
The guy didn't ask what type of diet he should be on. He asked about eating a healthy meal featuring a potato.
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thats my point. i'd avoid the sugar personally.
Goddam you are ignorant. Everything you type is about your Atkins diet. HE'S OBVIOUSLY NOT ON A HIGH FAT DIET. Clearly.
Who gives a shite if you avoid sugar? He doesn't. There are other ways.
Butter is like more than %50 saturated fats. It his high in sodium. Saturated fat promotes high cholesterol. For any normal being not on a month long or year long fad diet, it is bad for you.
BTW, I haven't seen a food pyramid since kindergarten my man
I couldn't tell you what the hell it says.
And my diet isn't one that features a lot of carbohydrates. You don't know what you are talking about.
And you still never answered the question. You of course, just twisted it into some Atkins diet fantasy land spiel instead of giving sound advice on what he asked. Not everyone is looking for advice on that.
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Posted on 5/25/11 at 3:55 pm to TigerMyth36
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Guys, give it a rest. He refuses to read any CURRENT data. In his mind the Earth IS flat. No sense arguing with him over and over. It is a lost cause.
Do you eat a lot of butter, bacon, cheeses?
havent you eaten the same thing for lunch for like a year?
dont you complain about the sodium in hot sauce?
How much of this stuff do you eat, if it is so healthy for you?
be honest
This post was edited on 5/25/11 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 5/25/11 at 4:03 pm to Lester Earl
I had a nice long post about the whole issue, but I am going to stick with my original thought and ignore you. 
Posted on 5/25/11 at 4:03 pm to Hulkklogan
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I hope Lester isn't taking this personally, because I don't mean to offend anyone with what I say about food and nutrition
Im not taking it personal, just some ignorant responses in here sometimes.
guy asks about a potato, I say to leave off the condiments and he'll be OK, and it turns into CAD lecturing about how mayo, butter, etc are great for you with no health risks if you are on a high fat diet. It's laughable how tunneled his vision is sometimes. Everyone is brainstomed all of a sudden over the food pyramid? WTF? I havent seen a food pyramid in 20 years.
All over a freaking potato.
Posted on 5/25/11 at 4:04 pm to TigerMyth36
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I had a nice long post about the whole issue, but I am going to stick with my original thought and ignore you.
Just answer my above question and I'll be happy.
not much butter in a hamburger patty or salad i assume.
I bet you ate a shite load of it 100lbs ago, no?
did carbohydrates make your cholesterol skyrocket, in your opinion?
This post was edited on 5/25/11 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 5/25/11 at 4:13 pm to Lester Earl
My cholesterol did not sky rocket. It went up 15 points and is still in the healthy range.
Also for two months prior to my blood test, I did not low carb.
I've said a 1000X that eating carbs and fat is the worst thing you can do because it is the worst of both worlds.
Actually about the butter, no I didn't eat that much when I was at 323. I ate an insane amount of carbs. I used to gulp down coke and other colas and I had pasta about 5 nights a week.
Once again, there is a 100% proven science behind Atkins. You have 2 body engines. Fat simply does not harm you if you are in the fat burning engine, but you can't have your cake and eat it too. You have to be in ketosis for fat to have zero negative effect.
My blood work was bad because I was eating carbs and fat and I kind of knew that might happen. I was eating almost 2 cups of beans a day which had me well out of the carb range to stay in ketosis. So my failure to adhere to the program is what caused my numbers to be a little higher.
That is my final debate with you on the issue.
Edit - My blood work wasn't bad, it was just a little higher but still within a decent range. And in hindsight it is easy to see why because I was still eating lots of fat while also eating carbs which is bad.
Also for two months prior to my blood test, I did not low carb.
I've said a 1000X that eating carbs and fat is the worst thing you can do because it is the worst of both worlds.
Actually about the butter, no I didn't eat that much when I was at 323. I ate an insane amount of carbs. I used to gulp down coke and other colas and I had pasta about 5 nights a week.
Once again, there is a 100% proven science behind Atkins. You have 2 body engines. Fat simply does not harm you if you are in the fat burning engine, but you can't have your cake and eat it too. You have to be in ketosis for fat to have zero negative effect.
My blood work was bad because I was eating carbs and fat and I kind of knew that might happen. I was eating almost 2 cups of beans a day which had me well out of the carb range to stay in ketosis. So my failure to adhere to the program is what caused my numbers to be a little higher.
That is my final debate with you on the issue.
Edit - My blood work wasn't bad, it was just a little higher but still within a decent range. And in hindsight it is easy to see why because I was still eating lots of fat while also eating carbs which is bad.
This post was edited on 5/25/11 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 5/25/11 at 4:14 pm to Lester Earl
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Goddam you are ignorant. Everything you type is about your Atkins diet. HE'S OBVIOUSLY NOT ON A HIGH FAT DIET. Clearly.
The diet doesn't matter, it's the principle of the matter. The potato turns into straight sugar in your body. A lot of carbs is bad for you, I don't care what diet you're on.
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Who gives a shite if you avoid sugar? He doesn't. There are other ways.
Any diet should avoid sugar, and should promote eating less carbs.
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Butter is like more than %50 saturated fats. It his high in sodium. Saturated fat promotes high cholesterol. For any normal being not on a month long or year long fad diet, it is bad for you.
Cholesterol is produced almost totally independent of what you eat - if you high cholesterol, you were predisposed to the condition more so than your diet lends to it. People who take up a low carb diet have great heart readouts. A raise in HDL cholesterol, the good kind, a lowering in LDL, the bad cholesterol. BP goes down, triglycerides go down. (Typically, obviously individual results can vary) Do you know how cholesterol works in the body? Eating a lot of cholesterol isn't a terrible thing - cholesterol helps repair arteries. If anything, high cholesterol is a sign of artery damage because your body will produce more to help repair them. The reason plaque builds is not because cholesterol itself builds up, but while it's repairing artery damage caused by stress, smoking, etc., LDL can oxidize and when it oxidizes it forms a plaque. What raises LDL? Carbohydrates. What lowers LDL? Saturated fats. You do the math. Note: This is not just for Atkins, this is for HUMANKIND in general. EVERYONE.
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For any normal being not on a month long or year long fad diet, it is bad for you.
This is the statement that I resent. Atkins is not a fad diet, it's not a month long or year long diet. It is a lifetime diet. You're not supposed to stick to 20g of carbs per day; you're supposed to go through the phases and learn what you can or can't have, what induces eating cravings, what causes you to stall or gain weight, etc. Whether people stick to it or not is the real problem at hand. Once you start ingesting 300g of carbs per day like you were before Atkins, you will balloon up again. Why? Not because Atkins sucks, because we're not supposed to have that many carbs in a day. A balanced diet should not include bread or anything super starchy like a potato (even corn is questionable). A balanced diet should include fruits, vegetables, meat, and nuts.
I fully understand that other diets do work, but that doesn't make them the healthiest diet. The hardest part of Atkins is wrapping your brain around the fact that saturated fats are NOT bad. Meat is NOT bad. Humankind has lived thousands and thousands of years off of meat, vegetables, fruits, and nuts. Why would meat be so bad all of a sudden?
This post was edited on 5/25/11 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 5/25/11 at 4:17 pm to TigerMyth36
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I've said a 1000X that eating carbs and fat is the worst thing you can do because it is the worst of both worlds.
so you'll agree the fats do not have the same benefits outside of Atkins diet?
Posted on 5/25/11 at 4:18 pm to Lester Earl
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so you'll agree the fats do not have the same benefits outside of Atkins diet?
If you're eating a lot of carbs and a lot fats, no. As I said in my wall o text above, we shouldn't be eating breads or pastas or anything like that. If you cut those out, eat lots of veggies, plenty of fruit and meats and nuts, fats are not bad.
But to each their own.
This post was edited on 5/25/11 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 5/25/11 at 4:26 pm to Hulkklogan
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The diet doesn't matter, it's the principle of the matter.
The diet absolutely matters.
You can incorporate plain baked potatoes into your diet and be perfectly healthy, and lose weight.
You cannot incorporate a loaded baked potato into your diet and think that the "fats" on top of the potato are beneficial to your health and diet.
A lot of carbs are bad for you. No shite. Having a baked potato with your meal does not equal "a lot of carbs".
I've been to world renowned health clinic in California, where movie stars spend weeks on end for change their diet and lose weight. The owner is filthy rich for a reason; his program works. Guess what they serve with some of your meals *GASP* Baked potatoes!! OMG!!!!
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Any diet should avoid sugar, and should promote eating less carbs.
sure
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if you high cholesterol, you were predisposed to the condition more so than your diet lends to it.
You cannot truly believe this.
do you expect your cholesterol to be the same at 360 lbs than what it will be at 250 lbs? Seriously?
predisposed?
what do you call it when peoples cholesterol goes down when they change their diet? the predisposition is just thrown out the window?
People have high cholesterol because they do not eat well. And generally are not in good shape.
Posted on 5/25/11 at 4:26 pm to Hulkklogan
I see since I last checked this thread it has been hijacked into an argument thread. I just wanted to pop in and say:
I started at 173.
I am currently at 154.
My goal is 140 or more.
I couldn't have done it without this board and you guy's help. Thank you for everything and I hope I can continue on my path.
I started at 173.
I am currently at 154.
My goal is 140 or more.
I couldn't have done it without this board and you guy's help. Thank you for everything and I hope I can continue on my path.
Posted on 5/25/11 at 4:30 pm to Hulkklogan
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If you're eating a lot of carbs and a lot fats, no.
"a lot of carbs"... you keep saying this.
you're "a lot" could be different than my a lot. In fact I am sure it is.
I can eat a baked potato or sweet potato with my fish or chicken and live perfectly healthy.
if you are eating bowls of pasta with bread and drinking cokes and such, you're going to be a fatass regardless.
yes, to each his own. Again Atkins may be healthy to you, it isn't that way for everyone. Just silly to assume thats the only way
Posted on 5/25/11 at 4:32 pm to pwejr88
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pwejr88
what has your diet looked like to lose 20 lbs?
just curious?
Posted on 5/25/11 at 4:32 pm to Lester Earl
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Lester Earl
lets be friends
seriously i'm dropping the argument. i want to focus on my 2 races coming up this weekend. a time trial on saturday and a criterium on sunday. looking forward to it.
lester can i have a hug?
Posted on 5/25/11 at 4:38 pm to Lester Earl
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what has your diet looked like to lose 20 lbs?
just curious?
No problem Les!
For lunch I eat maybe a fold-over and some baked chips.
For dinner I eat some high protein (fish fillet or a chicken breast) and some fruit.
I drink about a gallon of water or juice a day and run at LEAST a mile or over a day in 90+ degree heat to sweat my arse off.
I know I'm not doing it in a healthy fashion, but it works and as long as I keep sweating/running, it will continue to be off.
Posted on 5/25/11 at 4:39 pm to CAD703X
its all good
Posted on 5/25/11 at 4:48 pm to Lester Earl
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You can incorporate plain baked potatoes into your diet and be perfectly healthy, and lose weight.
I guess we'll agree to disagree. Potatoes take up too large of a portion of your daily carbs to eat one and eat as much fruit and veggies as you should have on a balanced diet.
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You cannot incorporate a loaded baked potato into your diet and think that the "fats" on top of the potato are beneficial to your health and diet.
If you have a potato and the toppings, no. The toppings alone are not horrible. Combined with the carbs of a potato, yes.
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A lot of carbs are bad for you. No shite. Having a baked potato with your meal does not equal "a lot of carbs".
I've been to world renowned health clinic in California, where movie stars spend weeks on end for change their diet and lose weight. The owner is filthy rich for a reason; his program works. Guess what they serve with some of your meals *GASP* Baked potatoes!! OMG!!!!
I never said a higher-carb diet can't work. I just don't think it's the best option. For anyone. Some people can't give up carbs, I understand that, but that doesn't make them healthy.
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You cannot truly believe this.
do you expect your cholesterol to be the same at 360 lbs than what it will be at 250 lbs? Seriously?
predisposed?
what do you call it when peoples cholesterol goes down when they change their diet? the predisposition is just thrown out the window?
People have high cholesterol because they do not eat well. And generally are not in good shape.
As you lose weight, you stress your body less, everything will get better regardless of the diet. It's once you've lost the weight and are maintaining where the biggest differences come in. And I didn't say it's completely independent, I said almost independently. What I mean is I can eat my 3 eggs and 3 strips of bacon daily and still have good heart signs.
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"a lot of carbs"... you keep saying this.
you're "a lot" could be different than my a lot. In fact I am sure it is.
It is different, it has to be. A lot of carbs in my mind is 60+g per day. That's all you really need if you eat the way people are supposed to eat. Fruits, veggies, nuts, meats.
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I can eat a baked potato or sweet potato with my fish or chicken and live perfectly healthy.
Think that blast of blood sugar is healthy? Maybe short-term it's fine, but long-term all of that sugar wears your pancreas and insulin production.
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if you are eating bowls of pasta with bread and drinking cokes and such, you're going to be a fatass regardless.
This is true.
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yes, to each his own. Again Atkins may be healthy to you, it isn't that way for everyone. Just silly to assume thats the only way
It's silly to assume that Atkins isn't healthy. It's not just healthy to me, it's healthy for everyone. The difference is who has their blinders on or off. Other diets aren't UNhealthy, I just don't believe they're as healthy as a low-carb diet (and a low carb diet doesn't constitute Atkins fyi)
In any case, I'm leaving this alone now.
P.S. Don't do Atkins, if you think saturated fats are bad, you won't fare well.
This post was edited on 5/25/11 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 5/25/11 at 5:15 pm to pwejr88
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I drink about a gallon of water or juice
what kind of juice and how much, my man?
Posted on 5/25/11 at 5:16 pm to GynoSandberg
A gallon of juice is a hell of a lot of calories. Just saying.
That is at least 1600 calories no matter what juice you drink unless it is vegetable juice.
That is at least 1600 calories no matter what juice you drink unless it is vegetable juice.
This post was edited on 5/25/11 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 5/25/11 at 5:31 pm to TigerMyth36
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That is at least 1600 calories no matter what juice you drink unless it is vegetable juice.
diet v8 splash ftw here
loaded with lots of great vitamins and almost no sugar.
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