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Posted on 5/24/11 at 8:29 pm to Lester Earl
Nothing like a smart arse attitude to have a discussion to find common ground. Fad or not, low carb has allowed me to lose weight like no other regimen has. Also the indigestion from bread and other things has vanished. 51 pounds and still working at it. Actually upto 2 miles walking a day now.
But of course you are right on the mark as always.
But of course you are right on the mark as always.
Posted on 5/24/11 at 8:38 pm to shawtiger
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Fad or not, low carb has allowed me to lose weight like no other regimen has.
that's great.
again, that doesn't mean its the only way.
the question was specifically asking about potatoes. I answered it. A loaded baked potato is not healthy for you, regardless if the toppings are OK to eat on Atkins.
congrats on the weight loss.
Posted on 5/25/11 at 3:47 am to Lester Earl
226.4/178.2/155 loss of 48.2
Been doing pretty well the last few weeks. I am starting back school this summer, have a feeling that this isn't going to go well with my diet. Lots of stress usually means I eat too much.
Everyone is doing great, I am happy to see a few more female faces in here-I don't post much, but I am always reading. I am creeping up on the 50 pounds lost mark, and I'm SO excited! Just have to stick to it.
Been doing pretty well the last few weeks. I am starting back school this summer, have a feeling that this isn't going to go well with my diet. Lots of stress usually means I eat too much.
Everyone is doing great, I am happy to see a few more female faces in here-I don't post much, but I am always reading. I am creeping up on the 50 pounds lost mark, and I'm SO excited! Just have to stick to it.
This post was edited on 5/25/11 at 3:48 am
Posted on 5/25/11 at 5:24 am to Lester Earl
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it is unrealistic to think you are doing yourself any good eating those things
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the guy wanted to eat a damned baked potato. a 500 calorie baked potato as a side item in a normal diet is not good. you are stupid if you think otherwise.
who is closed-minded again?
so if i have this straight; fats are 'bad' unless you're doing atkins while a potato is 'normal' and you're 'stupid' if you think its not healthy.
got it.
This post was edited on 5/25/11 at 5:26 am
Posted on 5/25/11 at 6:28 am to CAD703X
170/154/150 (2-28-11 3rd commit)
thanks for the entertainment. better than the OT
great job Roll, when did you start?
thanks for the entertainment. better than the OT
great job Roll, when did you start?
This post was edited on 5/25/11 at 7:09 am
Posted on 5/25/11 at 7:46 am to Lester Earl
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Lester Earl
363/324/250.. I'm due for a loss but it's a little late.
It doesn't matter what diet you're on. Atkins is not a fad diet, it's been around since the 70s. Look up how the body works and you'll quickly realize that a lot of carbs is a bad thing, not a normal or good thing. It's not just Atkins. Atkins was the catalyst for me, but once I learned how much carbs turn into sugar and how much of that sugar turns into fat, I was stumped. The current accepted way of eating is a trap to get fat unless you exercise enough.
Once I hit my ultimate goal I technically won't be on Atkins anymore, but I promise you I'll remain low-carb. Anything over 100g of carbs a day is excessive, especially when talking about complex carbs such as white bread, potatoes, etc. Most of your intake of carbs should be veggies, nuts, and fruits. Mother nature isn't stupid. Good things are good for a reason - you should eat them. The exception is candy, but that's all man-made anyway, not natural. I don't understand why so many people think that you have to suffer through tofu or bland items, or even "low fat" and things of that nature that are either manmade or not in our normal diet to lose weight - that's not our natural diet, it's not giving you the nutrients you need. The toppings are acceptable on Atkins because they're healthy if not eaten in excess, not because Atkins is some stupid diet that you don't lose weight on.
And no, Atkins and low-carb is not the only way of losing weight, as plenty of people on here have shown. I've done weight watchers in the past and lost 40 lbs. It was hard, hungry 24/7 because carbs don't keep you full like fats. Atkins is by far the easiest and most natural way of eating on a diet.
But congrats on your success and I hope it continues, but don't think that Atkins is some diet fad. You're still indoctrinated to the current standards which need to be changed (and I venture to say they will in the next decade or two).
This post was edited on 5/25/11 at 9:02 am
Posted on 5/25/11 at 8:24 am to roll16tide
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226.4/178.2/155 loss of 48.2
Been doing pretty well the last few weeks. I am starting back school this summer, have a feeling that this isn't going to go well with my diet. Lots of stress usually means I eat too much.
Everyone is doing great, I am happy to see a few more female faces in here-I don't post much, but I am always reading. I am creeping up on the 50 pounds lost mark, and I'm SO excited! Just have to stick to it.
Congrats! wow 50 pounds, you are burning through the pounds. Great job!
Ready to go out yet?
Posted on 5/25/11 at 8:32 am to roll16tide
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I am creeping up on the 50 pounds lost mark, and I'm SO excited! Just have to stick to it.
Posted on 5/25/11 at 8:35 am to Hulkklogan
265/230/190
Been hanging right around 230 for a week now.
Not related to the mini non-plateau, but I'm closing in on the end of the Atkins portion of this weight loss journey (for now any way).
After the long weekend, I'll be transitioning to Weight Watchers for the summer. With all of the summertime fresh fruits and veggies, I think it will be a good move. After a couple of months, I'll probably switch back. If I don't lose weight, I'll switch back sooner. Other than fruits and veggies, I still plan to keep it pretty low-carb (although I'm sure I'll have the occasional sandwich).
Been hanging right around 230 for a week now.
Not related to the mini non-plateau, but I'm closing in on the end of the Atkins portion of this weight loss journey (for now any way).
After the long weekend, I'll be transitioning to Weight Watchers for the summer. With all of the summertime fresh fruits and veggies, I think it will be a good move. After a couple of months, I'll probably switch back. If I don't lose weight, I'll switch back sooner. Other than fruits and veggies, I still plan to keep it pretty low-carb (although I'm sure I'll have the occasional sandwich).
Posted on 5/25/11 at 9:06 am to BhamTigah
I started eating really good about 2 weeks ago, and I've already dropped about 5 pounds. I'm hopefully going to start back in the gym in the next couple of weeks.
Posted on 5/25/11 at 11:11 am to CAD703X
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so if i have this straight; fats are 'bad' unless you're doing atkins while a potato is 'normal' and you're 'stupid' if you think its not healthy.
Geez you are dense. Just because something has some nutritional value doesn't mean it is good for you.
Do you really think mayo, butter, bacon, etc is good for you on a normal diet? Does it aid in weight loss?
And yes they are certainly ok to eat in certain contexts. Atkins
and they are certainly ok to eat in moderation every once in a while.
you never answered my question though; in your opinion is a 600 calorie baked potato with all those toppings beneficial to weight loss? Would you have recommended that gentlemen to eat a loaded baked potato with his meal? Remember, he IS NOT on Atkins? Can you even adapt to other diets at this point and give helpful advice?
This post was edited on 5/25/11 at 11:20 am
Posted on 5/25/11 at 11:19 am to Hulkklogan
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The toppings are acceptable on Atkins because they're healthy if not eaten in excess, not because Atkins is some stupid diet that you don't lose weight on.
says the guy who just the other day who says he used to put ranch on everything.
I guess you got to be 363lbs only because of your excessive carb intake?
anyone else can answer...We all used to be fatter i'm pretty sure...i know it was more than just carbs that got me that way. At least I can admit it.
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You're still indoctrinated to the current standards which need to be changed (and I venture to say they will in the next decade or two).
you sound brainwashed for real
Posted on 5/25/11 at 11:33 am to Lester Earl
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says the guy who just the other day who says he used to put ranch on everything.
I guess you got to be 363lbs only because of your excessive carb intake?
anyone else can answer...We all used to be fatter i'm pretty sure...i know it was more than just carbs that got me that way. At least I can admit it.
Of course carbs weren't the only reason I got to 363. I ate everything excessively. I'm not trying to say you can eat all of the fat/food you want that's acceptable on Atkins - because you can't.
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you sound brainwashed for real
No sir, I've just educated myself on what's actually good for my body instead of listening to food and drug company funded and flawed research. When you learn how the body burns different foods and how it turns into fat and how cholesterol isn't inherently evil, you really start to question how the current accepted way of eating really came to be. (:putontinfoilhat:
) Then you look up who/what funded the research and learn that not only did they fund the research, they funded the politicians' campaigns that helped get it passed, and you realize just how shady it all is. And you listen to what you've learned and what medical professionals are now learning and teaching vs what indoctrinated older generation thinks is healthy.This post was edited on 5/25/11 at 11:36 am
Posted on 5/25/11 at 11:38 am to Hulkklogan
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No sir, I've just educated myself on what's actually good for my body instead of listening to food and drug company funded and flawed research.
so you have became a health guru over a 2 month span because you discovered the Atkins diet? Am i reading that right?
Posted on 5/25/11 at 11:40 am to Lester Earl
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so you have became a health guru over a 2 month span because you discovered the Atkins diet? Am i reading that right?
1) I never claimed to be a guru, I know more than most people though. CAD knows way more than I do, although I don't 100% agree with everything.
2) I discovered Atkins and did plenty more research on my own, not just what the Atkins book told me.
3) 3 months
So no, you are reading it wrong.
This post was edited on 5/25/11 at 11:41 am
Posted on 5/25/11 at 1:55 pm to Lester Earl
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Lester Earl
do me a favor. watch 'fathead' and tell me if there is anything in that you fundamentally disagree with.
i'm not trying to pick a fight (well ok i am) but there are **ZERO** studies out there linking high fat diet to heart disease or obesity.
seriously. go look. i think this is where the disconnect is happening.
This isn't some 'fringe' science. Men's Health has nailed it on multiple topics regarding health and fitness..and this is one of them.
LINK
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Stop Blaming Saturated Fat
The research is clear: Carbohydrates, not fats, are the foe in America's battle against heart disease and obesity
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Here's a paradox for you: A high saturated fat intake decreases blood levels of saturated fat. How can this be? Here's how: The saturated fat in your blood comes from both the food you eat and from your liver, which produces saturated fat. The more carbs you eat, the higher your insulin levels climb, which signals your liver to produce saturated fat. If you go on a low-carb diet, your insulin levels drop, and so does production of saturated fat.
--A bonus: with low insulin levels, your body can burn more fat for energy, decreasing your sat-fat levels even more.
so to circle back to your question:
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you never answered my question though; in your opinion is a 600 calorie baked potato with all those toppings beneficial to weight loss? Would you have recommended that gentlemen to eat a loaded baked potato with his meal? Remember, he IS NOT on Atkins? Can you even adapt to other diets at this point and give helpful advice?
my advice is he'd be much better off to suck down a couple spoonfuls of sour cream or butter and skip the potato entirely. regardless of what 'diet' you're on..that potato has the same effect as eating a 600 calorie snickers bar when the body starts to process it. simple carbs = same effect as eating sugar.
thats my point. i'd avoid the sugar personally.
This post was edited on 5/25/11 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 5/25/11 at 2:01 pm to CAD703X
Guys, give it a rest. He refuses to read any CURRENT data. In his mind the Earth IS flat. No sense arguing with him over and over. It is a lost cause.
Posted on 5/25/11 at 2:03 pm to TigerMyth36
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He refuses to read any CURRENT data.
nothing against lester..he's subjected to the same pressure as everyone to 'go along' with accepted food pyramid and 'science' that claim you need to eat shitloads of bread and grains as the fundamental base to build a healthy diet.
greasy buttery fats & oils just seem like something you'd want to avoid. i mean they must be bad for you because they're gross.
Posted on 5/25/11 at 2:32 pm to TigerMyth36
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Guys, give it a rest. He refuses to read any CURRENT data. In his mind the Earth IS flat. No sense arguing with him over and over. It is a lost cause.
I hope Lester isn't taking this personally, because I don't mean to offend anyone with what I say about food and nutrition. We are all "indoctrinated" from birth about what's good or not good. Butter is supposedly bad, fats are bad, cereal is supposedly healthy, bagel with cream cheese, etc. And it's all false. But until you learn how the body processes these things, it's impossible to think that fats are good. I mean, from an ignorant logic, fats in = fats out, so fats must be bad, right? Well fortunately that's wrong. And I am not judging anyone for what they believe what is or isn't healthy - they just haven't researched the things that I have, and I don't blame them for it because I didn't until I was deciding what diet I should do.
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