re: PuttaDaForkDown

Mmmmmm. That sounds yummy. Hope you get better soon.

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its because i was destroyed and kept eating after the rides.

so remember this the next time someone says massive cardio will help you lose weight




I have typed and erased 3 replies because this seems to be an oxymoron considering the previous posts and replies.

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which part? the part about eating after putting in a massive cardio effort or that long cardio sessions are a "good" way to lose weight?

28 down, 13.5 to go!!!

220/214.5/150 going back to induction foods. Thought I could eat taco soup but apparently corn tomatoes and black beans even in half the quantity I usually use had enough carbs to increase my blood sugar 20 points above what I had been averaging. I am sure that explains the no weight loss as well. Still in ketosis though. I think I may need to focus on calories this week as well because I am staying in ketosis but no weight loss. Did not go to the gym over the weekend either so I need to get at least some walking in.

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220/214.5/150 going back to induction foods. Thought I could eat taco soup but apparently corn tomatoes and black beans even in half the quantity I usually use had enough carbs to increase my blood sugar 20 points above what I had been averaging. I am sure that explains the no weight loss as well. Still in ketosis though. I think I may need to focus on calories this week as well because I am staying in ketosis but no weight loss. Did not go to the gym over the weekend either so I need to get at least some walking in.

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It was probably the corn. Corn has a lot of starch (carbs) in it

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I just can't stand people that tell me I did it wrong when I have been able to maintain my diet for 14 months and lost 133 pounds and yes now I ride 10 to 15 miles 5 days a week.

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TigerMyth36,

I hear you and why you may be frustrated by this. As a heads up, you may notice that the same thing is being said on the other side of the debate also though. The words useless, wrong etc... are being thrown around about methods that some people are using to success. You get brought into some of those conversations as an exhibit A. Just saying, the shite flies both ways (not by you but by the self imposed masters of everything in this thread).

I was craving tacos last night, so I decided I would make a taco salad. Ground beef, cheese, lettuce, onions, sour cream, a few black olives, some zero carb taco sauce I found, a little zero carb hot sauce, and of course, the taco seasoning. Nothing bad there, so I'm thinking this will be a great meal and very Atkins friendly.

I brown the beef and start to put in the seasoning packet. Luckily, I glanced at the nutritional information. That little packet of seasoning has between 24 and 30 carbs depending on whether you are eating mild, hot, or regular (can't remember which was which). One packet seasons 1 lb of beef, so if i eat 1/4 lb on my salad, that's up to 7.5 grams of carbs......just for the seasoning. I probably eat closer to 1/2 lb, so we're up to 15 grams and nearing my daily limit.

I can't believe they put that much filler in a seasoning mix. Oh well, I decided to mix my own and it tasted better anyway.

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I can't believe they put that much filler in a seasoning mix. Oh well, I decided to mix my own and it tasted better anyway.

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Oh yes most definitely. Some of that is probably to thicken it up.

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igoringa

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i guess i'm trying to steer people away from the mindset that losing weight has to be hard and that long cardio efforts do anything for you.

they really don't. let me say that again:

THEY REALLY DON'T

here's why; its your RPE or "rate of percieved effort". (this will come into play below)

you cite my comment about the biking with the 2 women and my ability to 'do the impossible'. ok, a couple of things on that:

a. i have been in weightloss mode for quite some time and had a little more of a mental mindset to only have a beer while steaming plates of fajitas and everyone around me is diping chips into cheese sauce and delicious frosty margaritas are being consumed like water in the desert. how many people do you think could do the same thing i did in that situation? hell you think i could keep that kind of willpower up if we did that 3 days in a row? oh hell no. pass the fricking chips and cheese dude. i'm going in.

b. i might have gained...***ONE*** pound of weightloss benefit. maybe. probably not because i technically worked off 1000 calories and it takes 3500 to burn the equivalent of a pound.

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Let me give you an example to make this even more clear; and again I'm citing what happens in the 'real world'. not some fantasy world where peope routinely workout for 1-2 hours a day and religiously don't eat the amount of food to put them on par.

Here you go, lets say someone is burning 2400 calories over a 24 hour period by just sitting around the house (to make this a round number).

Now that person goes and does a hard treadmill workout for an hour. Or what they think is hard. Or rather they're in the 'fat burning zone' which puts their heartrate somewhere around 130-140bpm. an hour is hard stuff. you'll be bored out of your freaking mind, you'll sweat like a pig..and if you're not in shape when you get off that treadmill you're gonna feel like you just ran a marathon.

disagree with anything i've said so far?

ok, follow me:

now you're hungry (come on..real world here..99% of the people are going to want to eat after an hour on a treadmill).

let's say you were DISCIPLINED and *only* ate 2 slices of pizza afterward. hell, lets say you were SUPER-DISCIPLINED and only ate a couple of handfuls of nuts and drank water.

either of those 2 things would be hard to do after an hour on a freaking treadmill. that builds an appetite and its hard (at least for me) to stop at 2 slices of pizza when i'm feeling worn out and hungry.

NOW FOR THE MATH:

you just burned 600 calories for an hour on a treadmill (look it up..thats abour averge).

you would have burned 100 calories (2400/24) by just sitting still over that same time period.

So that's a net gain 500 additional calories burned.

Now you just ate 2 pieces of pizza (which would take me about 41 seconds total to wolf down) that come in at 600 calories.

Or..you were "good" and only ate 2 handfuls of nuts..which..wait for it...also comes in around 600 calories.

so guess what? you just ate more than you exercised.

on top of that..you're still hungry. YES YOU ARE. no one who just ran for an hour is going to stop at 2 slices of pizza.

So there's my point. The treadmill was an exercise in futility (insanity, sisphyus pushing boulder up a mountain, etc.) and you actually did more harm than good.

NOW FOR THE MONEY PITCH
honestly igoringa, how the hell do you then take what just happened above..and repeat for another 364 days..and think this is in any way going to result in any measurable weight loss?

your rpe (above) will always make you "feel" you have done more than you actually have..and within a minute or 2..you've undone 60 minutes of hard work.

how about you just stick to doing what you already do (watching tv, folding clothes, etc) and simply eat LESS. its a frick-OF-ALOT easier.

your honor, i rest my case