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Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:25 am to
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
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Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:25 am to
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leave Hulk alone


LINK
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
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Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:25 am to
The original guy that wanted him walking 3 to 5 miles and any future guy that agreed.
Posted by igoringa
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Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:27 am to
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The original guy that wanted him walking 3 to 5 miles and any future guy that agreed.


fair enough.
Posted by BhamTigah
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Posted on 4/28/11 at 12:18 pm to
quote:

walk 3-5 miles a day.....


Y'all are going to make Hulk angry. You wouldn't like him when he's angry.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93153 posts
Posted on 4/28/11 at 12:22 pm to
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The original guy that wanted him walking 3 to 5 miles and any future guy that agreed


i agree with myth here. there's only so much walking will do for you.

a guy here at work who weighs 270 **WON** a contest last year at our office using a pedometer..he walkd almost 500 miles in 3 months.

at the end of the contest..he weighed 280

if that doesn't state how little good walking does for you vs. watching what you eat i have another example for you:

i did my interval training on tuesday night. basically i'm riding my bike UP A HILL as hard as I can (V02 max)..my eyes are about to pop out of my head, my breathing is so labored i am about to puke and my heart rate is redlined. after 2 minutes of this i can turn around and coast back downhill and do it all over again 9 times.

because i have a power-meter on my bicycle..i get the **EXACT** calories burned. no guessing at all.

anyone want to take a wild guess at my average calorie-burn on each of those hard-arse 2-minute intervals???


















25 calories.


the point here is don't overestimate what a workout is doing for you. in fact, i would highly recommend to remove it entirely from your presumed daily calorie burn. if it helps a little or a lot..don't count it. that way you won't overeat..which is what almost EVERYONE does.

hell i felt like i deserved a triple-cheeseburger and fries after my 1-hour interval workout. imagine what that would have done for me.
This post was edited on 4/28/11 at 12:24 pm
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
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Posted on 4/28/11 at 12:27 pm to
oh myth:

257/194.8/185

and i ain't skeert of u either!

i have goals, man. i was dehydrated yetserday and ate too much last night so that 194 is legit from today. i was afraid it would shift..i got a hard interval workout for tonight so i'm looking for 193 tomorrow.

i plan to be 187 on may 16. so you got your marching orders. u need to buck up and plan to hit 185 before the end of may or i'm going to kick your damn arse.
This post was edited on 4/28/11 at 12:30 pm
Posted by Guzzlingil
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 4/28/11 at 12:30 pm to
I am not a fitness trainer..or a work out guru or anything of the sort....yes, I agree walking alone won't drop pounds....but it has to be better than playing video games or laying on the couch...and it keeps you out of the kitchen....and generally improves your mood...

that being said, after work I am walking 4 miles today....
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 4/28/11 at 12:33 pm to
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that being said, after work I am walking 4 miles today....


save time and just do 9 hard 2 minute sprints. it will rev your metabolism up and you'll burn alot more calories over the next 24 hours.

walking does almost nothing for you except waste your time.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290719 posts
Posted on 4/28/11 at 12:34 pm to
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a guy here at work who weighs 270 **WON** a contest last year at our office using a pedometer..he walkd almost 500 miles in 3 months.

at the end of the contest..he weighed 280

if that doesn't state how little good walking does for you vs. watching what you eat i have another example for you:



because everyone is the same, of course
Posted by Guzzlingil
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2003
2240 posts
Posted on 4/28/11 at 12:37 pm to
I just might try that...!!!

quote:

walking does almost nothing for you except waste your time

but I am looking to waste time toooooo...

wife and kids are out of town...
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93153 posts
Posted on 4/28/11 at 12:39 pm to
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Lester Earl


actually lester. everyone is the same in this regard. here, argue with this please.

i know what the hell i'm talking about here.

note the BOLD sentence below.

quote:

Since adding more time to your aerobic exercise simply makes you more efficient at aerobic exercise (which means that you burn less calories), your new strategy should include an increase in intensity. Your cardio needs to be shorter, faster, and more intense.

Do you want to burn a lot of calories in a shorter amount of time AND experience an elevated metabolism for the rest of the day? Then your best bet for a cardio workout is High-Intensity Interval Training (often referred to as HIIT).

HIIT involves performing your preferred cardiovascular exercise for only 15-20 minutes. During that shortened time frame, a series of short, high intensity bursts and longer low intensity intervals are performed. When an exerciser begins HIIT, the low intensity intervals will be fairly long. In following weeks, the low intensity intervals can be progressively decreased, the high intensity intervals can advance to greater intensities, and more interval sets can be completed.

This type of cardiovascular training is so much more effective for fat loss! The intensity of the exercise causes you to burn more calories in less time, and it helps to raise your metabolism for a period of time after you have finished. If you implement interval training on the days in between your strength training, you will be sustaining an elevated metabolism all week!

The take-home message?

Long 'cardio' is a completely healthy form of exercise. It is an important training modality for specific sports and activities. However, if your primary goal is fat loss and overall weight loss, lengthy cardio sessions are completely ineffective. High intensities of strength training and interval training are your most beneficial weapons against fat. Quality of your workouts over quantity? that's the new golden rule!


However, if your primary goal is fat loss and overall weight loss, lengthy cardio sessions are completely ineffective.
However, if your primary goal is fat loss and overall weight loss, lengthy cardio sessions are completely ineffective.
However, if your primary goal is fat loss and overall weight loss, lengthy cardio sessions are completely ineffective.
However, if your primary goal is fat loss and overall weight loss, lengthy cardio sessions are completely ineffective.
However, if your primary goal is fat loss and overall weight loss, lengthy cardio sessions are completely ineffective.
However, if your primary goal is fat loss and overall weight loss, lengthy cardio sessions are completely ineffective.
However, if your primary goal is fat loss and overall weight loss, lengthy cardio sessions are completely ineffective.
However, if your primary goal is fat loss and overall weight loss, lengthy cardio sessions are completely ineffective.


please stop telling people otherwise because its BAD INFORMATION

15-20 minutes HIIT is FAAAAAAAAAAAR more effective than an hour or more walking around and much easier to stick with long term. who doesn't have 15 minutes?
This post was edited on 4/28/11 at 12:42 pm
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93153 posts
Posted on 4/28/11 at 12:43 pm to
PS Here's the LINK

LINK

And this isn't news. Every personal trainer on the planet will tell you the same thing.

Long cardio sessions over time actually lead to weight GAIN

so hulk keep on watching the food and don't kill yourself on mostly useless hour-long walks.
This post was edited on 4/28/11 at 12:45 pm
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 4/28/11 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

CAD703X

DO work son, fight the man!

Thanks CAD. Maybe instead of walking for 30 minutes I'll try some jogging or something to really rev up my pulse. Or a run-walk..
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93153 posts
Posted on 4/28/11 at 12:50 pm to
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Thanks CAD. Maybe instead of walking for 30 minutes I'll try some jogging or something to really rev up my pulse. Or a run-walk..


just be careful..you could injure yourself by going all out this early in the process.

focus on the weight (see myth's loss) by watching the food and don't get hung up on the exercise right now. its not doing as much for you as you think and it tends to drive people into eating MORE calories than they burn which just leads to frustration. when you're beat to death from working out its easy to think you can reward yourself..but 9 times out of 10 you'll end up eating mroe calories than you just burned.

thats the dirty little secret no one ever talks about and a major culprit for people not sticking to diet/exercise. they think it needs to be 'hard' or else its not working when in fact, the exercise is the VERY THING that's causing them to not lose weight.

focus on the food for now.

eta like my new sig hulk?
This post was edited on 4/28/11 at 12:53 pm
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:09 pm to
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eta like my new sig hulk?


Can't see sigs and shite at work, photobucket and imageshack are blocked.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290719 posts
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:18 pm to
I never said walking is better than HIIT.

Just because your friend walked 500 miles and gained 10lbs doesn't mean that is the outcome for everyone.

Most 350lb men cannot do HIIT, esp if they are not active or athletic to begin with.

Walking is a great exercise for a large man. Anyone that gains 10lbs walking and dieting has something medically wrong with them.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93153 posts
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:19 pm to
quote:

Lester Earl

quote:

Anyone that gains 10lbs walking and dieting has something medically wrong with them.


really?

did u read the article i posted?

again you're making an awfully big assumption that this person is doing it right. what i've tried to point out is not only is the walking ineffective..but it tends to trick people into believing they've done more 'calorie burning' than they actually have (no one accurately measures calories burned) and they end up eating MORE to recover than the calories burned.

this is what happened to my friend. i tried to explain it to him early on in the process but he DUTIFULLY kept walking 5 miles a day and overeating.

you're dangerously oversimplifying in that statement you made.

a friend did an aerobic workout the other day on a treadmill and burned 100 calories (which is what it told him) and he was pumped..as he was tearing into a 300-calorie package of mixed nuts.



i didn't have the heart to say anything.
This post was edited on 4/28/11 at 1:27 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290719 posts
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:27 pm to
Hey I really don't care what he does. He can only diet and lose a bunch of weight and then try and exercise and have trouble completing simple exercises, even at a weight in the low 200's

Or he can diet AND do small exercises now that will A)promote higher weight loss and B)get him in much better shape to beef up his exercise routine once he gets to his weight loss goal. Instead of having trouble riding a bike or walking 2 miles because he has no muscle or cardiovascular endurance.

Pretty simple concept to me. Do I want to speed along my weight loss process by exercising while gaining endurance or do I want to lose 100lbs by only dieting and be a sack of bones with skin draped over it who cannot perform simple exercises?

Hulk if you want to walk, then walk. YOu will be doing yourself a lot of good at your weight. If yOu want to pick up some light weights too, you'll do wonders
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93153 posts
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

Hulk if you want to walk, then walk. YOu will be doing yourself a lot of good at your weight. If yOu want to pick up some light weights too, you'll do wonders


lester i should clarify i agree with you here even though i know i said 'forget exercise for now'.

i'm really only taking issue with anyone trying to convince hulk he's gotta spend 1+ hours walking as part of his fitness plan.

not true. 15-30 minutes walking and lifting some weights is plenty..and it won't cause him to lose motivation thinking "oh shite here we go again..i gotta go walk around the neighborhood for a freaking hour"

i didnt mean to imply NO exercise is bad..only that long extended cardio is really not going to help.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290719 posts
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:32 pm to
If you think it is useless for a 335lb man to walk, then I feel sorry for any advice he accepts from you. I don't care what some obscure study says or that your friend gained weight from walking.

There are highly trained nutritionist, scientists, and personal trainers that have made loads of money and earned an endless amount of respect in their field over the years by simply starting fat people on diets and walking plans.

ETA: posted this before i read your last message. I'm not going to delete though
This post was edited on 4/28/11 at 1:35 pm
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