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re: PuttaDaForkDown
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:40 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:40 pm to Lester Earl
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Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:45 pm to CAD703X
Ahh the weekly exercise fight, can we now switch to the weekly carb vs. fat fight, followed by the daily weigh-in vs. weekly or monthly fight?
This post was edited on 4/28/11 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:53 pm to CAD703X
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i agree with myth here. there's only so much walking will do for you.
I humbly disagree. For the past 20 years, my weight swings have a range of over 180 pounds with one of the main variables being how much I walk.
I lost 180 pounds during one stretch with my only source of exercise being walking (a lot of it) during which I was consuming about 2250-2500 calories a day (working at KFC would do that lol).
Over other stretches of other years, I have eaten virtually the same diet periods of times with my weight swinging 40-50 pounds each way depending on weather I was walking or not (I have a desk job, walking is my only exercise).
Not saying that happens for everyone, but to completely discount it for all is a falsehood
Also, dont interpret that as saying it is more important then diet as it is not. But that does not mean it is worthless.
My historic mean when I do a legit 1500 calorie diet tends to be 2-3 pounds a week if I am not walking (1-2 hours a day) vs 4-5 when I do. It makes well over a 50 pound a year difference for me which I would put in the 'worthwhile' category.
But CAD is most certainly right that if you up your calories to compensate/reward, then yeah it is a waste of time.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:54 pm to CAD703X
wa
I am sorry but that is a ridiculous statement.
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lking does almost nothing for you except waste your time.
I am sorry but that is a ridiculous statement.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 2:00 pm to igoringa
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I am sorry but that is a ridiculous statement.
please read the article i posted. it explains what i'm talking about.
or fine, just post zingers and dont actually take the time to educate yourself.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 2:08 pm to CAD703X
I'm staying out of this one this time.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 2:18 pm to TigerMyth36
Me too I know nothing about this
Posted on 4/28/11 at 2:30 pm to CAD703X
I did read the article, and I am not going to question that HIIT is more effective (more effective does not mean everything else is a 'waste of time'). Also, I am sure you can find an article to suppor the argument that did atleast some kind of study in it. LINK For example, here is an article that actually ties back to studies.
But presuming her words are solely sufficient:
I did read the article and the expert's blog which included:
That to me does not qualify as a 'waste of time'. Is it optimal compared to other options? Heck no. Is it better then sitting on your arse? Yes. Also under her logic (or your interpretation thereof), your 2 hour bike rides are really a wasted effort and you should really just do your intervals over 20 minutes and be done.
I will ask them at our gym when we do our 10K walk next week if they are on this planet.
link?
Again, the question at hand is your comment that walking does almost nothing, not whether it is better and interval... just is it better then doing nothing.
But presuming her words are solely sufficient:
I did read the article and the expert's blog which included:
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Long, slow cardio only burns calories during the exercise session. If you go for an hour, good for you, you've burned calories for an hour.
That to me does not qualify as a 'waste of time'. Is it optimal compared to other options? Heck no. Is it better then sitting on your arse? Yes. Also under her logic (or your interpretation thereof), your 2 hour bike rides are really a wasted effort and you should really just do your intervals over 20 minutes and be done.
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Every personal trainer on the planet will tell you the same thing.
I will ask them at our gym when we do our 10K walk next week if they are on this planet.
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Long cardio sessions over time actually lead to weight GAIN
link?
Again, the question at hand is your comment that walking does almost nothing, not whether it is better and interval... just is it better then doing nothing.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 2:31 pm to CAD703X
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or fine, just post zingers and dont actually take the time to educate yourself.
And I am completely open to educating myself. Show me the studies and evidence. The one article is this chicks opinion (which you extrapolated to every personal trainer in the world). Show me the landslide evidence that walking is a waste of time.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 2:46 pm to igoringa
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igoringa
thats pretty much it..again my assault
on the comments in this thread were directed at those comments that hulk needs to be out walking 3-5 miles day and that's simply not true. 30 minutes..and preferably 30 HIIT minutes..is all you need to do.
and yes..you are corredt about my extended bike rides. i'm only doing them to build up my endurance for races and centuries..not as a weight loss tool.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 2:47 pm to igoringa
pfoh.web.officelive.com/.../AnnFamMed20086_69MetaAPedometers.pdf
Corroboration of 16 studies and I will let CAD have the last word....
as for the Hulkster, you just do what you want to do.... i just feel it would be disingenous if you were worried that walking more may cause you to 'gain weight' or be a complete waste of time. Your life; and your call.
Corroboration of 16 studies and I will let CAD have the last word....
as for the Hulkster, you just do what you want to do.... i just feel it would be disingenous if you were worried that walking more may cause you to 'gain weight' or be a complete waste of time. Your life; and your call.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 2:52 pm to CAD703X
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not as a weight loss tool.
So what do you think happens during that 2 hours... no calorie burn? No net benefit at all? (just curious as to your take).
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were directed at those comments that hulk needs to be out walking 3-5 miles day and that's simply not true.
I agree given diet is so much more important to the math. Where we differ is I believe, keeping all else equal, that it would not hurt and would benefit most people if they moved their body more then they currently do. Are there optimal ways to do that? Sure. Is walking one of them? No. But for fatasses like me, it allowed me a gateway to increase my intensities both long term and short term. To me it is all incremental.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 2:53 pm to igoringa
>_> i DO walk
But no way in hell am I walking 3-5 miles anytime soon. One mile and I'm pretty damn spent.
But no way in hell am I walking 3-5 miles anytime soon. One mile and I'm pretty damn spent.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 2:56 pm to Hulkklogan
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i DO walk
But no way in hell am I walking 3-5 miles anytime soon. One mile and I'm pretty damn spent.
You know that equation and what you can do better then anyone else my man. And the only point I was originally making before the good/bad argument is for you to take solace that your ability to incrementally increase (if that is what you choose to do) will come quicker then you think. Thats all
Does atkins give you guidance on that (I thought I remember that but I could be wrong).
Posted on 4/28/11 at 2:58 pm to CAD703X
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focus on less food for now
fify
This post was edited on 4/28/11 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 4/28/11 at 2:58 pm to igoringa
My whole argument on this issue which I disagree completely with Lester is that.
It is far better to do no exercise and stay on the diet until the weight is gone than to do too much exercise and burnout and quit after two months.
Most people burnout and quit after a brief diet with too much exercise.
Losing the weight is far more important to being healthy long term than working out which is why I will always tell people from this day forward that diet is FAR more important for weight loss than exercise.
Is exercise beneficial? Nobody is disputing that. Of course it is.
I just think for people that need to lose a ton of weight that it is better for them to stick to the diet with light to zero exercise until they really get a strong head of steam behind them.
And I mean a serious strong head of steam. I did zilch until 6 months into my diet and it is the fact that I did zilch that I was able to stay on it for so long.
And yes, I will put my 25 years of diet failure doing it the way Lester wants us to do it up against the 131 pound loss with almost no exercise any day of the week.
Diet is not only a key, it is the key. Everything else is minor.
It is far better to do no exercise and stay on the diet until the weight is gone than to do too much exercise and burnout and quit after two months.
Most people burnout and quit after a brief diet with too much exercise.
Losing the weight is far more important to being healthy long term than working out which is why I will always tell people from this day forward that diet is FAR more important for weight loss than exercise.
Is exercise beneficial? Nobody is disputing that. Of course it is.
I just think for people that need to lose a ton of weight that it is better for them to stick to the diet with light to zero exercise until they really get a strong head of steam behind them.
And I mean a serious strong head of steam. I did zilch until 6 months into my diet and it is the fact that I did zilch that I was able to stay on it for so long.
And yes, I will put my 25 years of diet failure doing it the way Lester wants us to do it up against the 131 pound loss with almost no exercise any day of the week.
Diet is not only a key, it is the key. Everything else is minor.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 2:59 pm to igoringa
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So what do you think happens during that 2 hours... no calorie burn? No net benefit at all? (just curious as to your take).
here is my take on it:
i dismiss it. totally.
is it helping? yes. but by removing it from my brain as a 'weight loss bonus' and focusing instead on my BMR (basal metabolic rate..which is around 1900 calories a day) i dont lull myself into thinking i can reward myself after riding.
i went riding with 2 very very lovely ladies from work a couple weeks ago. we went for a couple of hours. my computer 'chirped' that we had just burned 1000 calories so i mentioned that to them.
they were excited and celebrated by going to eat mexican (i just had one lite beer and no food) while i watched them slug through 3 pitchers of margs and a HUGE arse plate of mexican food.
the whole time they were talking about what a great workout they had just accomplished. i estimated they each had north of 2500 calories..those margaritas are KILLERs when it comes to calories and those burritoes were the size of rolled up newspapers not to mention the refried beans and rice..and 2 baskets of chips.
sooo..to answer your question...yes its doing some good but it helps me those nights i have a hard workout and go to bed on an empty stomach to keep myself from the 'reward trap'.
make sense?
This post was edited on 4/28/11 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 4/28/11 at 3:03 pm to igoringa
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Does atkins give you guidance on that (I thought I remember that but I could be wrong).
Atkins says to not exercise too hard and burn out IIRC, much like CAD is saying. They don't give specifics other than starting out at 30 minutes of brisk walking 3 times per week and increase as that gets easier and easier.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 3:06 pm to CAD703X
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'weight loss bonus'
Well this is where we completely and utterly AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!! I try to do 2 hours of cardio a day and some strength training... but I dont 'give' myself credit for it in terms of food intake. I have a calorie target that is static regardless of what I do.
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i went riding with 2 very very lovely ladies from work
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margaritas are KILLERs
One of the most undervalued caloric drinks out there... they are poison.
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make sense?
Completely.
This post was edited on 4/28/11 at 3:10 pm
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