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re: Homebrewing Thread: Volume II

Posted on 2/22/19 at 9:04 am to
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/22/19 at 9:04 am to
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10-15 lbs for a 5 gal batch?


Yes. Well, that's for a sour. I think 2 lbs/gallon would be sufficient to get some good strawberry notes in a cream ale. It's not overkill, trust me. NOw if you were using raspberries, then yeah, 3 lbs/ gallon is a lot. Raspberries are more acidic than strawberries. I made a sour with 3 lbs/gallon of raspberries and it was very noticeable, but very good.
Use however much you want really. But anything under 1 lb./gallon, IMO, and you will hardly notice the strawberries, if at all.
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 9:06 am
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57439 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 10:06 am to
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Use however much you want really. But anything under 1 lb./gallon, IMO, and you will hardly notice the strawberries, if at all.

agreed.


Im not that into sours. i like having 1 keg. but wheni brew i want to drink it soon after. sucks to have to wait so long for a mix ferm.....but my last one is almost gone so i need to do another.
Posted by Bro Dad
Used to live in LaPlass
Member since Feb 2015
809 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 10:13 am to
Yeah I’m not too much into sours, but I like one every now and than.

Posted by GeauxPack81
Member since Dec 2009
10482 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 10:24 am to
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Yeah I’m not too much into sours, but I like one every now and than.


Same. I like a good gose or berliner weisse during the summer, but not into much more than that... Maybe next summer I will brew one of those. I think I am going to stick with my plans for a kolsh and a IPA for now.

Although I do love the idea of creating homebrews that I can drink a year or 2 after I brew them. Might try that next time I brew a high abv stout.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52787 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 10:25 am to
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sucks to have to wait so long for a mix ferm.....but my last one is almost gone so i need to do another.



That's why you start a pipeline. I always have a beer to bottle every 3 months or so. I typically brew a new sour batch to be ready at bottling time to incorporate onto the dregs from the fermenter. I currently have 37 bottled sours ready to drink of varying ages/blends. I have 4 different sour blends i use:

1. My first mixed ferm sour - gen. 2 right now
SACH - wlp565 Belgian Saison I
BRETT - WLP560 Brett Brux
LABS - WY5335 Lactobacillus
Plus assorted dregs
2. Wicked Weed Dregs - gen 2
3. Bootleg Biology Mad Fermentationist blend - gen 2
4. Bootleg Biology MTF Funklandia - Solera - gen 1

Plus another 3, 1 gallon demijohns full of dregs. I think one is bootlegs sour solera blend. Not sure about the other 2. But i'll use those for blending with a brett beer for a relatively quick turnaround for mixed ferm (3-4 months).
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 10:42 am
Posted by GeauxPack81
Member since Dec 2009
10482 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 10:28 am to
Do any of y'all have your own grain mill? I think I might get one. I think it will help me control for my efficiency way better. Thing is like $100 though, I figured it would be way cheaper. Doesn't seem like a complicated peice of equipment...

Every time I buy some more equipment I tell myself "yeah, but this will be the last thing I really need..." And I still always buy something new
Posted by BMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
16269 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 10:38 am to
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Yeah I’m not too much into sours, but I like one every now and than.


Yep, I like a good kettle sour, but regular sours I drink only once in a while. I have zero desire to brew any of those. Ever.
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14663 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 10:38 am to
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Do any of y'all have your own grain mill?
Pretty much every brewer I know has one; I actually have two. I had a Barley Crusher for a long time and it started to have problems occasionally so I bought a 3-roller mill. I think it's a Crankenstein if I remember right. I use a cheap Harbor Freight drill to power it. I highly recommend getting your own. Generally the gap is too wide on the mills in homebrew shops so you'll get better efficiency with your own.
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 10:39 am
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
27094 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 10:54 am to
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don't you think it's odd this is the first time we're hearing about that? There's got to be more to it than just yeast and hops or otherwise we'd be seeing this a ton it seems.


Maybe a little odd, but maybe us homebrewers are just finally putting 2 and 2 together. I've heard of commercial breweries having to deal with diacetyl from dry hops, so they knew something was happening as far as refermentation was concerned. How much? I don't know.

I did like how they performed the experiment on Coors.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52787 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 10:57 am to
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I've heard of commercial breweries having to deal with diacetyl from dry hops, so they knew something was happening as far as refermentation was concerned. How much? I don't know.


Could that be from the introduction of Oxygen that is causing the refermentation? Yeast needs O2 to get going. Maybe the introduction of oxygen when these commercial brewers dry hop awakens some yeast cells that weren't doing their jobs at go time.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57439 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 10:58 am to
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Do any of y'all have your own grain mill? I think I might get one.
thats my next step after i get my electric setup working. ive read that oxidation starts about 8 hours after the grains are milled.

Does it hurt you at a home brew level? no i have brewed a bag that was milled a month before. but it is another piece of equipment that makes me look cool AF
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 11:02 am
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
27094 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 11:13 am to
My grain mill has paid for itself by buying grain in bulk. A 55lb bag of pilsner cost me $50, or $.91/lb, whereas buying it by the pound would cost $1.70. It took me 190 lbs to break even, and I'm still going. Plus I can control the crush and malt condition, which is worth it as well.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57439 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 11:20 am to
where do you buy your bulk grains and what mill?

thats my plan to buy pilsen and pale. and maybe like golden promise. because i use those in almost all of mine.
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 11:21 am
Posted by Bleed P&G
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2003
2972 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 11:32 am to
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malt condition

What is your procedure for this? I tried it once but I let the malt get too wet. The malt gummed up the rollers on my mill.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52787 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 11:33 am to
How long does unmilled grain last?

I don't mill mine. LA Homebrew is literally right outside of my neighborhood. But there are some grains they don't carry anymore that i want.
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14663 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 12:26 pm to
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How long does unmilled grain last?

In my climate darn near forever. But down there? Maybe a couple of years? I wonder if there's a Brulosophy article on that.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
27094 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 4:30 pm to
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where do you buy your bulk grains and what mill?


I buy the grain at my LHBS. I have a MM2. Most of the grain I buy in bulk is Avangard Pilsner malt. It's cheap and I actually prefer the tatse of it over Weyermann. I preferred the taste before I found out it was cheaper, but the price helps it taste even better.

quote:

What is your procedure for this? I tried it once but I let the malt get too wet


I pour my grain into a 7 gallon bucket. I then turn the bucket on it's bottom edge and rotate it while spraying it with a water sprayer. I'll then dig my hands in there and stir. Repeat the rolling, spraying, stirring process a few more times. It only takes an ounce or two of water for a standard 5-gallon recipe. You can tell by the feel of the grain when it's good.

quote:

How long does unmilled grain last?


Not a clue. I go through it way before it goes bad. As long as it's stored correctly, it'll last a long time.
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 4:32 pm
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52787 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 8:42 pm to
Cracked open abottle of my more recently bottled sours (bottled late October). Man this thing is great. And I think I’m finally realizing that 3 months in the bottle is when it starts getting good. The acidity is so much smoother and layered, as opposed to an up front in your face sour pop, when it’s early in the bottle.

is Myrtille - blueberry sour

This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 10:07 pm
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52787 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 9:37 am to
Found a neat tool to use for fruit displacement calculator.

LINK

You kind of have to back into it, but say you want to see how much 1 lb of plums displaced, simply type in plum, and 1 cup. The results below shows 1 cup is .33 lbs, so 3 cups is equal to 1 lb. so 3 cups displacement for 1 lb of plums.
Posted by Bro Dad
Used to live in LaPlass
Member since Feb 2015
809 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 6:39 pm to
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Do any of y'all have your own grain mill?


Sure do. I buy grains in bulk through Midwest Supply (free shipping). I keep 2 row, Pilsner, maris otter and pale wheat in stock. I’ll order specialty grains as I need them.
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