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Course timing at restaurants
Posted on 3/17/18 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 3/17/18 at 7:02 pm
Who is responsible for this the kitchen or the server?
Dined at Cafe Americain last night. Ordered a soup, salad and entree. So did my wife and kid dinner for son.
Every single item came out at exact same time. There was not even enough room on table for it all. All after we waited 40-45 min for it to show. Server blamed kitchen. So I explained to the manager she needed to have a word with the kitchen.
Had to hurry through the soup, forget about salad and move to entree before it got cold. Made for a horrible dinner experience.
Dined at Cafe Americain last night. Ordered a soup, salad and entree. So did my wife and kid dinner for son.
Every single item came out at exact same time. There was not even enough room on table for it all. All after we waited 40-45 min for it to show. Server blamed kitchen. So I explained to the manager she needed to have a word with the kitchen.
Had to hurry through the soup, forget about salad and move to entree before it got cold. Made for a horrible dinner experience.
This post was edited on 3/17/18 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 3/17/18 at 7:39 pm to Catman88
Completely depends on the practices & training of the staff.
Kitchen's fault IF the protocol is for the server to order everything in at once and then tell the kitchen when to fire each course but the kitchen fired all courses simultaneously.
Server's fault IF the protocol is to order courses one at a time & pace the courses out based on the speed at which you are eating and the anticipated preparation time of each item.
The first scenario requires a well trained kitchen staff & and good communication between FOH & BOH staff.
The second scenario requires an attentive server who understands the dynamics of the kitchen as it relates to food service.
Having never dined or worked at Cafe Americain, I cannot comment on their timing practices but it sounds like the server could have mitigated some of the error that caused all of your courses to arrive simultaneously.
Kitchen's fault IF the protocol is for the server to order everything in at once and then tell the kitchen when to fire each course but the kitchen fired all courses simultaneously.
Server's fault IF the protocol is to order courses one at a time & pace the courses out based on the speed at which you are eating and the anticipated preparation time of each item.
The first scenario requires a well trained kitchen staff & and good communication between FOH & BOH staff.
The second scenario requires an attentive server who understands the dynamics of the kitchen as it relates to food service.
Having never dined or worked at Cafe Americain, I cannot comment on their timing practices but it sounds like the server could have mitigated some of the error that caused all of your courses to arrive simultaneously.
Posted on 3/17/18 at 7:43 pm to Catman88
Kitchen, mostly....but the server must communicate with the kitchen, as well. And you could have refused any of those dishes when the poorly trained server dropped them all simultaneously.
Posted on 3/17/18 at 7:54 pm to Catman88
The guy are gal doing expo.
Posted on 3/17/18 at 8:02 pm to Catman88
From my experience this is pretty much the norm today.
It's pretty much the servers responsibility, but if the kitchen is in the weeds things will get screwed up.
Frankly I would blame management and poor training. Also, it could be poor menu design.
It's pretty much the servers responsibility, but if the kitchen is in the weeds things will get screwed up.
Frankly I would blame management and poor training. Also, it could be poor menu design.
Posted on 3/17/18 at 8:47 pm to Catman88
The server should not have let that happen.
Posted on 3/17/18 at 8:52 pm to BigDropper
On you for accepting it all.
You're paying for it; demand that it's right.
You're paying for it; demand that it's right.
Posted on 3/17/18 at 9:34 pm to Panny Crickets
I immediately complained that all the food should not be out at once. Plus my sons food was not even out yet. He said that was because he couldnt carry it all out at once. Lol yea.. thats part of the problem.
He said if the entree got cold let him know. My wife's entree had to be re fired (likely microwaved). They ended up comping our soups after I already paid the bill.
Restaurant just opened 2 weeks ago. That is my biggest mistake.
He said if the entree got cold let him know. My wife's entree had to be re fired (likely microwaved). They ended up comping our soups after I already paid the bill.
Restaurant just opened 2 weeks ago. That is my biggest mistake.
This post was edited on 3/17/18 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 3/17/18 at 9:40 pm to Catman88
quote:
I immediately complained that all the food should not be out at once. Plus my sons food was not even out yet. He said that was because he couldnt carry it all out at once. Lol yea.. thats part of the problem. He said if the entree got cold let him know. My wife's entree had to be re fired (likely microwaved). They ended up comping our soups after I already paid the bill. Restaurant just opened 2 weeks ago. That is my biggest mistake.
This info would have been helpful in your original post.
This post was edited on 3/17/18 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 3/17/18 at 9:51 pm to Panny Crickets
Unfortunately only good restaurants get this right. I typically pace my order to ensure that I get timely courses. I.e. I won't order an entree until I have ordered an app or salad and I know it's about to arrive.
When a restaurant gets it right it's really refreshing.
When a restaurant gets it right it's really refreshing.
Posted on 3/17/18 at 10:29 pm to ZoneLiftGMC
I’m guessing this is the new one in the Stroubes location at Juban. 30 years ago when they opened in Goodwood they were very good but lost it a long time ago. The crabmeat and Brie soup was exceptional.
I don’t go anywhere if only 2 weeks old but I would have just sent it back. Bad experience or not they should know and learn.
I don’t go anywhere if only 2 weeks old but I would have just sent it back. Bad experience or not they should know and learn.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 12:33 am to Catman88
If everything comes out at the same time it's the server in my experience
Posted on 3/18/18 at 10:52 am to Catman88
I refuse to order appetizers and main dishes at the same time because this has happend so many times.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 7:19 pm to Catman88
When I waited tables at the Chimes in 2000-2002, the order looked like this:
App
-------
Salads
-------
Soup
-------
Entree
The kitchen timed it from there and if they moved too fast, it was my job to slow them down.
App
-------
Salads
-------
Soup
-------
Entree
The kitchen timed it from there and if they moved too fast, it was my job to slow them down.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 7:28 pm to liz18lsu
My wife waited tables there back then...to the fall of 2000.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 7:49 pm to Catman88
Any kitchen worth a shite has an expediter that controls all timing. at lower tier restaurants it’s the server
This post was edited on 3/18/18 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 3/18/18 at 8:14 pm to Panny Crickets
Purpose of post was not to elaborate on the incident but to try and determine who is responsible.
I tipped the server fairly well despite the incident because I assumed it was an kitchen issue.
I tipped the server fairly well despite the incident because I assumed it was an kitchen issue.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:07 am to Martini
Holy shite i can’t believe they opened another.
I worked at the one on jones creek around 2006-2007. Unless they got new owners and got away from the 1980s menu, this one won’t be open too long.
To answer the ops question the answer is the lead cook or Chef whose working as the expeditor.
I currently work in a kitchen where the expo calls out the orders. At first this was weird as I’m used to having tickets to reference. Chef doesn’t mind giving me an all day as to what I should have working.
This process looks like this:
Waiter takes order, submits it as you give to them.
Order is sent to Chef who then calls out: pick up one Caesar! Grill! order two burgers! Sauté order one Kid’s pasta!
Caesar salad is made and picked up by Chef who then tells waiter it’s ready. At this time the burgers and pasta have started working. Once the waiter says the salad is done or almost done, Chef yells: pick up two burgers! Pick up Kid’s pasta. These are then placed in the window where they are picked up and sent to your table shortly after your salads are done.
This is simplified and a place like cafe Americain or most in br doesn’t do this. They will do something more like waiter puts in order and a ticket gets printed to one or two stations where the food is cooked and possibly “fired” or finalizes once the previous course is nearly done.
Again, this requires communication with the waiter and the expo person.
Sounds like the waiter forgot to put in your food, had them rush it and just said that the kitchen messed it up. Nothing at cafe americain when I was there took longer than 20 min and that was the pork tenderloin.
It’s possible they were backed up but who knows. 45 min ticket time on first course is baaaad.
I worked at the one on jones creek around 2006-2007. Unless they got new owners and got away from the 1980s menu, this one won’t be open too long.
To answer the ops question the answer is the lead cook or Chef whose working as the expeditor.
I currently work in a kitchen where the expo calls out the orders. At first this was weird as I’m used to having tickets to reference. Chef doesn’t mind giving me an all day as to what I should have working.
This process looks like this:
Waiter takes order, submits it as you give to them.
Order is sent to Chef who then calls out: pick up one Caesar! Grill! order two burgers! Sauté order one Kid’s pasta!
Caesar salad is made and picked up by Chef who then tells waiter it’s ready. At this time the burgers and pasta have started working. Once the waiter says the salad is done or almost done, Chef yells: pick up two burgers! Pick up Kid’s pasta. These are then placed in the window where they are picked up and sent to your table shortly after your salads are done.
This is simplified and a place like cafe Americain or most in br doesn’t do this. They will do something more like waiter puts in order and a ticket gets printed to one or two stations where the food is cooked and possibly “fired” or finalizes once the previous course is nearly done.
Again, this requires communication with the waiter and the expo person.
Sounds like the waiter forgot to put in your food, had them rush it and just said that the kitchen messed it up. Nothing at cafe americain when I was there took longer than 20 min and that was the pork tenderloin.
It’s possible they were backed up but who knows. 45 min ticket time on first course is baaaad.
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