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Could a Jester King/ Allagash/ Rare Barrel type brewery work in Louisiana?
Posted on 8/6/20 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 8/6/20 at 1:06 pm
It's no secret i love sour/mixed fermentation/funky beers. I find what the aforementioned breweries do in regards to beer, is so much richer to most other breweries, with their attention to detail and focus on recreating the "farmhouse" belgian style, as opposed to churning out Juicy IPA, fruited kettle sours, and candy stouts that seem to be the big draw for most breweries nowadays.
But do you think a brewery that focused mainly on mixed fermentation/wild fermentation/franco-belgian could survive in Louisiana? Could it survive anywhere, as a new brewery, anymore?
ETA: Ignoring the difficulties of Covid restrictions
But do you think a brewery that focused mainly on mixed fermentation/wild fermentation/franco-belgian could survive in Louisiana? Could it survive anywhere, as a new brewery, anymore?
ETA: Ignoring the difficulties of Covid restrictions
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 1:07 pm
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Posted on 8/6/20 at 1:09 pm to BugAC
Nope
No area in the state could support it
No area in the state could support it
Posted on 8/6/20 at 1:09 pm to BugAC
absolutely
especially a place like JK which is now almost a destination brewery
I think its been well established that if you make good beer, no matter where you are, you will thrive
especially a place like JK which is now almost a destination brewery
I think its been well established that if you make good beer, no matter where you are, you will thrive
Posted on 8/6/20 at 1:09 pm to BugAC
Maybe in nola. You need a pretty big hipster population to make it work
Posted on 8/6/20 at 1:14 pm to BugAC
Chappapeela Farms sure did awesome.
For real though, they'd have to be really good and it would probably take a while to get enough national recognition to become a destination brewery like Jester King or New Glarus.
For real though, they'd have to be really good and it would probably take a while to get enough national recognition to become a destination brewery like Jester King or New Glarus.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 1:20 pm to Salmon
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especially a place like JK which is now almost a destination brewery
I think its been well established that if you make good beer, no matter where you are, you will thrive
I agree it's become a destination brewery, but JK was able to develop into who they are now, outside of the boom/bust phase that we seem to be in, nowadays. It feels as though if you aren't making 7 hazy pales, 3 fruited whatevers, and adolescent stouts, then you aren't going to survive very long. I get that those are money-makers, but i have my doubts that the masses want to drink anything with some nuance to it. I base this on what i see on the grocery store shelves. For a beer city, i think it would do fine, like Wicked Weed in Asheville, but for Louisiana, i don't know how well subtleties in a beer would be appreciated enough for a brewery to make it, especially considering slow initial turn over of the product.
Take in point, Jolly Pumpkin. Very good mixed ferm sour beer maker, and from what i read the other day, their sales are going down because they don't offer the new "hot" things.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 1:24 pm to BugAC
No. Chappapeela Farms tried this very thing and didn't last a year. Hell, there's still 2 year old Jester King bottles on the shelf at Calandro's. I don't think people here are ready for that concept. Or at least enough of them to keep it going.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 1:25 pm to BugAC
well I do believe that if you want to be a successful "farmhouse" brewery, then you need to have the setting to really thrive
but I do believe that if you make good beer, people will find you
now I do worry about a production brewery like JK in LA with our distribution system
a place like that would almost assuredly have to be a brewpub
but I do believe that if you make good beer, people will find you
now I do worry about a production brewery like JK in LA with our distribution system
a place like that would almost assuredly have to be a brewpub
Posted on 8/6/20 at 1:31 pm to BMoney
I think using Chappapeela is a bad example
they put out what, 2 mediocre beers in that year? seems like they were just poorly ran from a business perspective
they put out what, 2 mediocre beers in that year? seems like they were just poorly ran from a business perspective
Posted on 8/6/20 at 1:37 pm to Salmon
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I think its been well established that if you make good beer, no matter where you are, you will thrive
All Relation says hi (on the surface at least)
Posted on 8/6/20 at 1:38 pm to jennyjones
I don't think thats a fair example Posted on 8/6/20 at 1:41 pm to Salmon
Farmhouse is a niche market within a niche market
Have to be one of the best in the business to make it work
Have to be one of the best in the business to make it work
Posted on 8/6/20 at 1:44 pm to Salmon
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I don't think thats a fair example
We'll probably never get the full story there .
Whatever happened, it Sucks for the LA beer game
Posted on 8/6/20 at 1:52 pm to BMoney
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No. Chappapeela Farms tried this very thing and didn't last a year.
But they really didn't, did they? They released 2 beers (from what i know), and neither were mixed fermentation type.
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Hell, there's still 2 year old Jester King bottles on the shelf at Calandro's.
Actually it's only 2 beers. One is a Gotlandstrika which is a smoked beer, which isn't everyone's jam, the other is El Cedro, which is a brett beer, and not worth the price tag, IMO. The rest sold out, although some took longer than others. I may be responsible for buying more La Petite Prince from that store, than anyone else.
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I don't think people here are ready for that concept. Or at least enough of them to keep it going.
That's my thinking. It's a shame because my favorite brewery in all of Asheville was the Funkatorium at wicked weed. The beer was phenomenal and the smell of that brewery is stuck in my head. When i moved to our new house, i transferred over my sours in the fermenter, and one of the carboys developed a pinhole in the side, that eventually developed into a small crack. It was in my fermenting freezer, so i didn't notice, but i kept noticing that wild sour fermentatin/aging smell of wicked weed. WHen i opened the fridge, i noticed about a 1/4 inch of sour beer at the bottom of the fridge. Cleaned it up and was sad to no longer have that smell. I guess i could treat the brew storage room in the shed as a lambic brewery and just spray the walls with sours. Probably wouldn't have the same result.
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 8/6/20 at 1:54 pm to Salmon
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well I do believe that if you want to be a successful "farmhouse" brewery, then you need to have the setting to really thrive
but I do believe that if you make good beer, people will find you
I agree. However, you have to know how to run a business as well, to survive.
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now I do worry about a production brewery like JK in LA with our distribution system
a place like that would almost assuredly have to be a brewpub
With Pelican Craft Brands, i think distribution is becoming less of an issue for the smaller guys, locally. But a brewpub would be a must for something like that.
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 8/6/20 at 2:18 pm to BugAC
If they serve hard seltzer and have a lazy river
Posted on 8/6/20 at 2:27 pm to BugAC
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It feels as though if you aren't making 7 hazy pales, 3 fruited whatevers, and adolescent stouts, then you aren't going to survive very long.
I don't see this is true... but... going full farmhouse is another extreme.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 2:39 pm to BMoney
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here's still 2 year old Jester King bottles on the shelf at Calandro's
JK didn't do themselves any favors by jacking up prices. I'm a JK fanboy, but they priced me right out of their market.
JK also made their name on a whole variety of beers, not just farmhouse/sours
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 8/6/20 at 2:41 pm to LoneStarTiger
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I'm a JK fanboy, but they priced me right out of their market.
I agree... I will still buy them since I rarely have the chance to get them, but I think if it was in my everyday market, I wouldn't buy at their prices.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 2:44 pm to jennyjones
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We'll probably never get the full story there .
We have the full story. Read the last post in that thread.
ETA: never mind, I see you already did
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 2:46 pm
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