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Adding roux to the gumbo at the end?

Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:04 pm
Posted by NolaLovingClemsonFan
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:04 pm
Anyone ever done this before? I had some gumbo at a neighbor's house earlier this week that was fantastic. It was dark as hell and thick, exactly how I like my gumbo, to the point where I called him up today and asked him for his recipe.

In doing so, he told me the weirdest thing that he adds a second roux at the end of the process. I'd never heard of such a thing, but he said it allows him to really thicken it up and get it to the color he wants in the end.

So basically he sets up the gumbo the same way, makes his initial roux, tosses in the trinity, cooks down, tosses in meats at various times and lets it simmer down until everything is cooked. Then, about an hour before he's gonna eat he'll make a second roux and add this in to the pot to the consistency he wants, and then let this simmer for another hour to cook the flour taste out.

Anyone ever done anything like this? Obviously this isn't the way you'd ever traditionally do it as making two rouxs would suck, but he cheats with the microwave method on the second roux so that it's super easy. Thoughts? May try this weekend.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:08 pm to
Seems like it would be easier to just make enough roux at the beginning.
Posted by LouisianaLady
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:18 pm to
quote:

Seems like it would be easier to just make enough roux at the beginning.



This. I only add some extra roux towards the end if I fricked up and added too much stock for the amount of roux I made. And even then, I give it another hour if I add extra roux.
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:18 pm to
Why wouldn’t he just figure out the 2 portion of roux quantity and then just start with that? I don’t see how adding it in the end would do anything different
Posted by MaxDraft
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:21 pm to
worth a shot
Posted by gumbo2176
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:27 pm to
Just make whatever amount of roux to whatever color you think you need during the onset of cooking the gumbo and if for some reason it is not thick enough at the end, just mix a bit of cornstarch with water and use that to thicken the gumbo.

No raw flour taste to deal with or prolonged cooking time to cook that taste out. Quick and easy.
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:30 pm to
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but he said it allows him to really thicken it up and get it to the color he wants in the end.



This is pretty dumb. It's not like gumbo will get thinner the longer you cook it once the roux is incorporated, so there's no point in waiting til later to add more roux to get it thicker.

I also don't see how adding it at the end vs adding that same amount initially makes any difference with color. Just make a darker roux initially and be done with it.

The gumbo tasted good because of everything else he did.
This post was edited on 1/15/21 at 1:40 pm
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
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Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:35 pm to
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I only add some extra roux towards the end if I fricked up and added too much stock for the amount of roux I made

Yeah, I've done it on two separate occasions when I knew I just wasn't going to get the right consistency. Actually worked out pretty well.
This post was edited on 1/15/21 at 1:36 pm
Posted by mylsuhat
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:39 pm to
Sounds like someone using jar roux and doesn't put enough in the beginning
Posted by Speckhound
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:49 pm to
I only put mine at the end. It's an old Paul Prudhomme recipe and it works great. Involves browning your chicken first and using that filtered oil later to make the roux. I'll wait for the haters to chime in
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:53 pm to
What do you mean by "at the end"? That's what is confusing about all this. The OP says "at the end" but the guy cooked the gumbo for another hour after the 2nd batch of roux was added.

Lots of folks here brown their chicken and sausage first and use the rendered fat when making the roux.
Posted by Speckhound
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 2:15 pm to
I was trying to find the recipe but I guess its too old. It calls for flouring and browning the chicken and allowing it to drain. Saute the veggies and add your stock. Put the chicken pieces in for couple hrs and simmer. Remove chicken and allow to cool. This is when you use some of the strained oil and flour to make the roux. Stir it in the broth and de-bone and skin the chicken pieces. Stir the chicken back in and your done.
Posted by bearhc
Member since Sep 2009
4938 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 2:19 pm to
I made some smoked duck/andouille gumbo using a jar of Rouse's dark roux. I just added it to the sauteed vegetables. It worked great and tasted great. This saved a lot of time and effort.
Posted by NolaLovingClemsonFan
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 3:07 pm to
He said he started adding it at the end because he’s a shite cook so not great at estimating and this allows him to just always make it how he wants in the end. Then he started doing it nonstop bc it’s easier.

Gonna try myself because I also suck at cooking lol.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 3:11 pm to
quote:

It's an old Paul Prudhomme recipe


Are you talking about this recipe?

Chicken and Andouille Smoked
Sausage Gumbo


Chef Prudhomme's
Louisiana Kitchen
by Paul Prudhomme, 1984,
William Morrow and Co., Inc.

Makes 6 main-dish or 10 appetizer servings

One 2- to 3-pound chicken, cut up
Salt
Garlic powder
Ground red pepper (preferably cayenne)
1 cup finely chopped onions
1 cup finely chopped green bell peppers
3/4 cup finely chopped celery
1 1/4 cups all-purpose flour
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon garlic powder
1/2 teaspoon ground red pepper
(preferably cayenne)
Vegetable oil for deep frying
About 7 cups chicken stock
1/2 pound andouille smoked sausage
(preferred) or any other good
pure smoked pork sausage such as
Polish sausage (kielbasa), cut
into 1/4-inch cubes
1 teaspoon minced garlic
Hot cooked rice

Remove excess fat from the chicken pieces. Rub a generous amount of
salt, garlic powder and red pepper on both sides of each pieces, making
sure each is evenly covered. Let stand at room temperature for 30 minutes.
Meanwhile, in a medium-size bowl combine the onions, bell peppers and celery; set aside.
Combine the flour, 1/2 teaspoon salt, 1/2 teaspoon garlic powder, and 1/2 teaspoon red pepper in a paper or plastic bag. Add the chicken pieces and shake until chicken is well coated. Reserve 1/2 cup of the flour.
In a large heavy skillet heat 1 1/2 inches of oil until very hot (375 to 400 degrees F). Fry the chicken until crust is brown on both sides and meat is cooked, about 5 to 8 minutes per side; drain on paper towels. Carefully
pour the hot oil into a glass measuring cup, leaving as many of the browned particles in the pan as possible. Scrape the bottom with a metal whisk to loosen any stuck particles, then return 1/2 cup of the hot oil to the pan.
Place pan over high heat. Using a long-handled metal whisk, gradually stir
in the reserved 1/2 cup flour. Cook, whisking constantly, until roux is dark
red-brown to black, about 3 1/2 to 4 minutes, being careful not to let it
scorch or splash on your skin. Remove from heat and immediately add the
reserved vegetable mixture, stirring constantly until the roux stops getting
darker. Return pan to low heat and cook until vegetables are soft, about
5 minutes, stirring constantly and scraping the pan bottom well.
Meanwhile, place the stock in a 5 1/2-quart saucepan or large Dutch oven. Bring to a boil. Add roux mixture by spoonfuls to the boiling stock, stirring until dissolved between each addition. Return to a boil, stirring and scraping pan bottom often. Reduce heat to a simmer and stir in the andouille and minced garlic. Simmer uncovered for about 45 minutes, stirring often
toward the end of the cooking time.
While the gumbo is simmering, bone the cooked chicken and cut the
meat into 1/2-inch dice. When the gumbo is cooked, stir in the chicken
and adjust seasoning with salt and pepper. Serve immediately.
To serve as a main course, mound 1/3 cup cooked rice in the center of a
soup bowl; ladle about 1 1/4 cups gumbo around the rice. For an appetizer,
place 1 heaping teaspoon cooked rice in a cup and ladle about 3/4 cup
gumbo on top.
Posted by Boudreaux35
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Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 3:12 pm to
quote:

Seems like it would be easier to just make enough roux at the beginning.


THIS! By the time I've made one roux and cooked the gumbo long enough along with the associated drinking, no way I wanna start cooking another roux.
Posted by Speckhound
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2020
150 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 3:23 pm to
I found that one online too but that's not it. This one uses his "Meat Magic" seasoning for the chicken. I'll scan it and put it on here Monday.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Member since Feb 2008
47385 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 5:04 pm to
He has a similar one using the Magic seasoning, but it's pretty much the same as far as frying the chicken and using the oil for the roux. He doesn't "filter" the oil, though. He urges you to keep all the scraped fond etc... to use in the roux just like the one I pasted above.
Posted by r3lay3r
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Member since Oct 2016
1824 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 5:21 pm to
The advantage would come in getting the thickness you're looking for. The darker the roux, the less the thickening power. So, if you make a really dark roux to get the color you want, then you can add a lighter roux in the second addition to get the thickness you want.
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 6:13 pm to
Weird how complicated we try to make cooking simple things. Do it however you want, why the hell would someone even attempt making it at the end though, what are you trying to improve? It’s gumbo, it’s good and perfect as it is. It’s like all the extra work some folks do with crawfish, I mean, it’s boiled crawfish.

I’m not knocking, as I said, people should do as they please. Fwiw, I’d eat it OP

ETA: That all came out way more rude than I meant. I won’t delete haha, if people have fun trying new things or new ways, that’s a good thing.
This post was edited on 1/15/21 at 6:17 pm
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