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re: A path to becomming a Chef

Posted on 7/17/11 at 7:14 am to
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
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Posted on 7/17/11 at 7:14 am to
quote:

distain for a line cook


Is that how you take his stance? I didn't see it that way.

I see his view is that the demand of the public for prepackaged food puts the cook/chef in a place where he can't be a real cook.

I feel like SOME of what Mike has posted has gotten a bit twisted around and people have piled on.

And SOME of what he has posted is probably just based on getting riled up.

Anyway, for what it's worth, I didn't take it that he had a disdain for those workers.
Posted by RummelTiger
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 7/17/11 at 7:53 am to
Christ, Mike...

We all can't drive Porsche's, wear Rolex's, and fly first class.

If you honestly do not see why chains are popular, then you have no grasp on the industry you claim to love so much.

Also, a great food culture in a town does inherently make it a better place to live. You can look 70 miles to our SE for a perfect example of this. While I love New Orleans, the great restaurants and innovative chefs have done NOTHING to make the city safer.

And, to speak to your love affair with locally owned establishments...yes, I'd prefer to eat there than a chain if given the choice. BUT, for every one local restaurant with great, inspiring food, there are probably five that suck.

Lastly, if you're going to bail because a few people disagree with you, then you basically have just shite all over your own theory.

Apparently, you consider yourself to be the fine dining, cultured, cutting edge poster on here. Your thoughts, much like a five star restaurant, are often misunderstood by the masses and only accepted by a select few. So, instead of trying to teach those that don't understand, adapt to the forces that effect the masses, or at least be as open-minded to the thoughts of others as you are expecting them to be of you...you'd prefer to take your ball, pretentious attitude, frothy sauce, and go home.

Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 7/17/11 at 8:11 am to
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Mike da Tigah


quote:

Are we really a place that is fertile ground for one looking to be the very best or are we really content with what we know at present and don't really want to see that change? I


Okay, I saw this thread yesterday and the title loooked interesting. I come back later to check it out and it's a gazillion pages.

I can't read all of this so forgive me everyone, is the aboeve question the crux of the matter? And does it deal with B.R. primarily.?
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
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Posted on 7/17/11 at 8:30 am to
Okay, I briefly skimmed the thread and there seemed to be multiple issues. Not that anybody gives a rats arse what I think, I'll make the following comments.

1. Mike seems like a guy who really loves food (I've never known what Mike does for a living . . . food?) I know he would love for the restaurant scene to improve in B.R. No doubt there's room for improvement. There are decent places to eat, but there are very few original, exceptional restaurants.

2. You need a market for better restaurants, and that market will be affected by the culture, economy, individual experiences, etc. I think, after awhile, it is what it is. You have the culture and market for better restaurants or you don't.

3. Mike wants B.R. to improve in general and views the restaurant scene as an indicator of B.R.'s progress. Depending upon your values, that could be true.

4. I like B.R. and lived there at two different times in my life, but it's not my cup of tea. Just a matter of preference. I enjoy a little more diversity and more options.

5. SFP seems to believe any food and wine discussion is foolish because taste is so subjectiev and easily misled that the whole subject isn't worthwhile. In this regard, while he has one or two valid points, he's full of shite with his conclusion.

6. Powerman is easily irritated and occasionally unloads on people unnecessarily. He also makes snap judgments that would hold more weight if he'd give places more than one try.

7. I don't think Mike is condescending. I just think he's frustrated.

Not sure why I typed all of that.
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 7/17/11 at 8:35 am to
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Not sure why I typed all of that.



Many other posters in this thread should share the same feeling.
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
68825 posts
Posted on 7/17/11 at 8:36 am to
quote:

Many other posters in this thread should share the same feeling.


no doubt
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476873 posts
Posted on 7/17/11 at 8:55 am to
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SFP seems to believe any food and wine discussion is foolish because taste is so subjectiev and easily misled that the whole subject isn't worthwhile. In this regard, while he has one or two valid points, he's full of shite with his conclusion.

i said that in this thread?

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/17/11 at 8:56 am to
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I don't think Mike is condescending. I just think he's frustrated.

when he basically tries to lecture everyone on how their taste sucks and his is 1337, and everyone needs to follow his jesus-like metaphors to better themselves, it comes off as the basic definition of being condescending
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
68825 posts
Posted on 7/17/11 at 9:23 am to
quote:

i said that in this thread?


No. But it's mildly relevant.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476873 posts
Posted on 7/17/11 at 10:08 am to
i'm not discussing that shite at all really

mike is trying to push his valuation of gourmet food in line with his beliefs

he wants the population of BR to fall in line with his belief system

the problem is that there really aren't that many places in this entire country that hold the same values, and they're all either major metro areas or tourist places that push food as part of that experience

it's just not even theoretically feasible
Posted by Uncle Stu
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 7/17/11 at 10:14 am to
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Is that how you take his stance?

let's look at the evidence........


* he's still a glorified food ditch digger
* pick real cooking over bullshite cooking
*becoming an underpaid food ditch digger
*puts a value on such things rather than ditch diggers in the back.
*what you are left with isn't much more than ditch diggers
*low achievers
*depend on idiots who work in the back of the house
*they are now nothing more than an assembly line worker, or monkey who does a dance when the music is played




so, yeah, I dont think I'm making too much of an inference, his feelings are quite clear to me.


As I was re-reading thru all this, I have to give it to Mike, he called his shot early on and I just blew right by it.......
quote:

if you can't get your mind around what's lost or the value in it, then what I'm saying is absolutely going to be lost on you, and the ramblings of a crazy man.


I wish I would've paid more attention, I wouldn't have wasted so much time had I realized he already knew he was off his rocker

Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
52557 posts
Posted on 7/17/11 at 10:23 am to
Just read one of MdT's threads...any one of them...and you'd know his tires weren't balanced.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476873 posts
Posted on 7/17/11 at 11:02 am to
i'm trying to avoid piling on the guy. i've really tried to keep my posts centered on the issues at hand

outside of the occasional jab here or there, i think i have

which is why mike saying i was attacking him made me
Posted by DeltaHog
Member since Sep 2009
766 posts
Posted on 7/17/11 at 11:48 am to
Becoming a chef is centered around learning. If you aren't willing to learn then pick another profession. It also provides the opportunity to move anywhere you please but eventually you must come to the realization that in order to further your career you must find yourself in a major food city. I learned very quickly there are just some cities that aren't food cities. No matter how hard you try, if people can't pronounce it, they ain't eating it.

My personaly journey has rotated around Memphis, Fayetteville, Dallas, Boise and soon to be Portland, Oregon. What I've learned from working in these cities is detrimental to me becoming not only a great chef but also a businessman. You must cater to your consumers. People in Dallas eat more upscale than people in Memphis and Fayetteville....especially Fayetteville. And people in Boise, Idaho eat food different than all the citites.

Being from the Arkansas Delta I want to change the food culture tremendously. All of you have seen some of my posts regarding farm to table and the current direction of food I would love to bring to the South. It's a matter of hardwork, time and patience. I've moved far away from home to learn and in time hope to come back and change the way people eat.
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 7/17/11 at 12:23 pm to
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DeltaHog


Mike, it sounds like you have a kindred spirit here.

Whether it is because he has 50 posts and you have a gazillion, or for some other reason, he is probably saying close to what you want to communicate, but in a way that might come across better.

Cheers Mike.
Posted by Degas
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Posted on 7/17/11 at 12:34 pm to
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No matter how hard you try, if people can't pronounce it, they ain't eating it.
this
Posted by Bender
Shreveport
Member since Mar 2010
1435 posts
Posted on 7/17/11 at 12:40 pm to
How long before he can no longer resist posting?
Posted by Degas
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Posted on 7/17/11 at 12:57 pm to
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How long before he can no longer resist posting?
Not sure, but perhaps he's serious.

It's been hours now.
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
Georgia foothills
Member since Sep 2009
30331 posts
Posted on 7/17/11 at 1:44 pm to
Cmon, we want Mike back. We need personalites. We lost Otis for a few months. Now we are doing without CC and Wink.
Posted by Degas
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Posted on 7/17/11 at 1:53 pm to
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CC and Wink.
No qualms here. I needed a break from the e haromny crap.

Otis is cool, provided he backs off on the sauce.
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