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Posted on 5/1/11 at 1:14 am to
Posted by White Roach
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Posted on 5/1/11 at 1:14 am to
Obviously, it decreases flood levels downstream. I'm not sure if mitigates levels upstream by increasing the total flow rate.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/1/11 at 1:17 am to
quote:

not sure if mitigates levels upstream by increasing the total flow rate.


this is what I was wondering
Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
9666 posts
Posted on 5/1/11 at 1:37 am to
Just looking at a USACE webpage about the
Miss River & Tributaries Flood Control Project.... Looks like opening floodways (Morganza, Bonnet Carre) or the Old River Control Structure provide downstream benefit only.
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/1/11 at 2:38 am to
In 73 the river was literally half way up the levee. I was a kid then and lived in the River Parishes right next to the levee. We fished for catfish right from the levee. They had stacks of sandbags spaced out along the top of the levee (I guess in order to use in case there were breaches).

Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 5/1/11 at 6:17 am to
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Yeah right dude, my first semester at LSU in '08 had the Mississippi River about 15 feet from the top of the levee.


The crest this year will bring the river level to about 44.5' on May 21. At that level, the water level will be 4'-5' from the top of the levee in Baton Rouge.

Last high level that we had close to this was 1983 which if I remember it was 43'. All the crawfish one wanted. I couldn't even give them away that year. My wife gave birth to our daughter which weight in at 9 lbs 5 ozs. She did a lot of crawfish that year for sure!
Posted by JermStone
Beaumont, Tx
Member since Jun 2008
5741 posts
Posted on 5/1/11 at 6:32 am to
Amazing ...y'all are worried about flooding and I can't even get my boat in at Toledo cause it's so low

Crazy how a few hundred miles can be so drastically different!
Posted by Kajungee
South ,Section 6 Row N
Member since Mar 2004
17033 posts
Posted on 5/1/11 at 7:00 am to
The Corps started sandbagging the levee just south of Brightside yesterday.

The only way the river could change course would be a massive failure of the Old river control structure or the Morgaanza Control structure.

in 1973 near failure at the Old river structure lead to the only opening of the Morganza structure.

Anyone know if the river has overflowed the potato levee and entered the forebay yet ?
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/1/11 at 7:05 am to
it's gettin' close here Gee. but I think we'll be cool.

this is all caused be the cooling of the Pacific Ocean in what is called "la nina". the only the way the Pacific can cool, is the globe is warming. go figure that out.

Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 5/1/11 at 7:21 am to
I got relatives in Memphis. Hopefully everything will be okay.
Posted by Kajungee
South ,Section 6 Row N
Member since Mar 2004
17033 posts
Posted on 5/1/11 at 7:24 am to
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the only the way the Pacific can cool, is the globe is warming. go figure that out.


You mean Radioactive cooled Pacific water as a result of the earthquake meets Global warming creating record tornado's and widespread flooding, But whats this mean for Hurricane season ?
Posted by swampdawg
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2007
5141 posts
Posted on 5/1/11 at 7:43 am to
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I'd be more concerned about the Old River Control structure. Failure there and a lot of Water down the Atchafalaya will frick some stuff up


This. It has been badly scoured out underneath before.
Posted by swampdawg
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2007
5141 posts
Posted on 5/1/11 at 8:46 am to
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I heard last week they are worried about Southwest Pass filling in and getting the $$$ to get enough dredges going to keep the channel open. Alot of deposition at the mouth once the velocities decrease.


The Corps can always activate the Wheeler. It just sits idle at their office in New Orleans.

Hopefully they will use most of the material from SWP beneficially but in situations like these, I would not bet on it.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/1/11 at 8:51 am to
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But whats this mean for Hurricane season ?


Bad news.

When the Pacific is warmer than normal (El Nino) there's more wind shear in the Atlantic and you have fewer hurricanes.

Without El Nino you don't get that layer of protection.
Posted by swampdawg
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2007
5141 posts
Posted on 5/1/11 at 8:52 am to
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in 1973 near failure at the Old river structure lead to the only opening of the Morganza structure.


I would think they might open it again this year simply to protect the structure and our nation's port system. It seems like a good solution, but I don't know all the ramifications. I don't know how much the structure was compromised in 73, but I read that it scoured out 75' below the structure. I am not sure what measures were taken to reinforce the structure.
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8740 posts
Posted on 5/1/11 at 1:24 pm to
There is some serious rain falling today in Ark/Mississippi/Missouri, etc. Will be interesting to see if the levels get adjusted upwards from Memphis to Greenville.
Posted by JOHNN
Prairieville
Member since Nov 2008
4410 posts
Posted on 5/1/11 at 1:59 pm to
quote:

doesn't morgan city have a flood wall to protect them. I'm not sure if it's for the river or for storm surge


From what Ive read only buildings on the river side of the wall will flood. I was at SubSurface Tools on Thursday and they are moving alot of equipment that was on the river side to the other side of the wall since they are closing the wall and expecting about 8ft of water.

From weather.com:
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"THE FLOOD WARNING CONTINUES FOR THE ATCHAFALAYA RIVER AT MORGAN CITY. * UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE... OR UNTIL THE WARNING IS CANCELLED. * AT 8:00 PM SATURDAY THE STAGE WAS 5.2 FEET. * MINOR FLOODING IS OCCURRING AND MODERATE FLOODING IS FORECAST. * THE FLOOD STAGE IS 4.0 FEET. * FORECAST... THE RIVER IS EXPECTED TO RISE TO NEAR 6.0 FEET BY THURSDAY MAY 5TH AND CONTINUE RISING TO A CREST NEAR 8.0 FEET BY MONDAY EVENING MAY 23RD. * IMPACT... AT 7.0 FEET... BUILDINGS AT THE FOOT OF ANN STREET ON THE RIVER SIDE OF THE FLOOD WALL WILL FLOOD AS WATER OVERTOPS THE RIO OIL COMPANY DOCK. BUILDINGS ON THE RIVER SIDE OF THE BERWICK FLOODWALL WILL FLOOD. RIVER TRAFFIC RESTRICTIONS WILL BE STRICTLY ENFORCED."
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
82036 posts
Posted on 5/1/11 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

(9) 43.09 ft on 04/24/2008
I remember my Geology teacher freaking out about how high the river was at that point. I had no idea this crest is supposed to be higher. I hope they don't close down the levee b/c I'd like to go take a look at th river when it gets to 44 feet
This post was edited on 5/1/11 at 2:10 pm
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
175433 posts
Posted on 5/1/11 at 2:20 pm to
quote:

JOHNN

All that's if they don't open Morganza right?
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
175433 posts
Posted on 5/1/11 at 2:21 pm to
It was awesome in 08. The water looks so close to the top of the levee. Water starts to seep up on the other side of the levee and frick up roads and stuff.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
82036 posts
Posted on 5/1/11 at 2:27 pm to
Yea I remember in 08, the gravel parking lots by the levee were all full of water
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