Will this cause Dems to move right

if they want to beat Vance they are going to have to because the candidate is going to have to be logical and likable

It’s a good question. I think the jury is still out on that.

Their first play will be to resist and obstruct. If the Trump admin experience any hardship or setback (like Covid) they’ll use it. Some deep staters will look for was to create such a setback.

If Trump’s agenda is actually enacted , and the country prospers from it, they will probably come back to the middle for awhile.

A week or so ago Paul Manafort addressed this in an interview with Tucker. It’s worth a listen and makes sense.

No they are communist, it will be just like last time resist and use the media to slander Trump

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Will this cause Dems to move right

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They should, but they won't.

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he economy is going to get real shitty and they can just do Bill Clinton "it's the economy stupid" from a moderate leader from a Rust Belt State.

Likely candidates are Whitmer and Shapiro.

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Which one of those do you think will be able to sell the nation on their economic wizardry to tackle it over Vance?

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Which one of those do you think will be able to sell the nation on their economic wizardry to tackle it over Vance?

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Like the last 3 Presidential elections, it will be a referendum against the prior regime.

Just like how the current admin was linked to the economy and immigration, Trump/Vance will be blamed for the shitty economy we're about to have.

Vance will have to explain why he couldn't get Trump to do whatever he is going to come up with on the campaign, just like Kamala. He's going to have to shite on Trump or say what they did while in power was the right thing (and try to sell that to a population angry about the status quo).

They will become more quiet on trans stuff, getting away from oil/gas, but I doubt they truly shift.

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the shitty economy we're about to have.

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about to have? where the fook have you been for the last 4 years?

Literally all they have to do is enforce the border, stop the DEI and shun the weirdos. They can't because everything is a PR move to them and that would "threaten the coalition" or something. They all need to be replaced. Fetterman is a guy they should look to, but they won't. They will double down because they can't help themselves