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re: 158 years ago this evening, Stonewall Jackson was shot by his own men...
Posted on 5/5/21 at 12:06 pm to antibarner
Posted on 5/5/21 at 12:06 pm to antibarner
I have read extensively on Lincoln. A fascinating (and obviously hated) individual. A very flawed man who realized he had been thrust onto a stage he was not prepared for. He did his best (some of which was not good). He had a generous heart and I think he would have led us into a period of reconciliation. John Wilkes Booth doomed this country with his reckless act.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 12:59 pm to Wolfhound45
My thoughts exactly. We are still paying for what Booth did today.
For instance, had Lincoln been able to reconcile the nation, would there ever have been a Ku Klux Klan? Would the carpetbaggers have been allowed to run wild in the South and conditions be to the point to cause their creation?
For instance, had Lincoln been able to reconcile the nation, would there ever have been a Ku Klux Klan? Would the carpetbaggers have been allowed to run wild in the South and conditions be to the point to cause their creation?
This post was edited on 5/5/21 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 5/6/21 at 5:08 am to antibarner
Lincoln was a dictator in a country founded on being governed by the people. He jailed dissenters and political opponents, suspended Habeas Corpus, basically abolished freedom of the press, and allowed/promoted war crimes in the Sherman campaign.
Lincoln did everything Saddam Hussein did in Iraq. The fact Lincoln is looked at as one of America’s greatest presidents is propaganda at its finest.
Lincoln did everything Saddam Hussein did in Iraq. The fact Lincoln is looked at as one of America’s greatest presidents is propaganda at its finest.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:44 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:And that was the main downfall of the Confederate high command in the early days of the war. Jackson's entire experence in war up until that point had been in the Mexican-American war during the seige of Vera Cruz and the subsiquint march on Mexico City, which was entirely offesive in nature. His highest success came when he took out a whole line of Mexican artilery with esencially one artilery piece of his own, to keep the Americans moving forward to Mexico City. So the objective of Stonewall Jackson's entire military career up until the First Battle of Manassus was moving forward even if he had always been an artillary officer and not a calvary man.
It was not an established goal of the battle to exploit a victory and then capture Washington. It was not even considered prior to the fight. The people on both sides were rank amateurs with the exception of those who had fought in the Mexican War.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:39 pm to Hester Carries
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If Stonewall doesnt die, the CSA wins the war (or at the very least, avoids defeat)
Not a chance. The South had to have everything break their way from the moment of secession on to have even the slightest chance. By the summer of '63 enough had gone wrong (Ft Donaldson, the mountain campaigns early in the war that allowed WV to secede from VA, missed opportunity at Shiloh, etc) that the Confederate hopes were doomed.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 3:47 am to arcalades
Go see how Germany was doing at the end of WWI under a blockade, starving population and troops, and imploding economy.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 6:02 am to prplhze2000
This. The North had a real navy and they used it. One of the most underexamined aspects of the Civil War was the use of naval assets whether it be the Union gunboats on the rivers or the regular navy ships enforcing blockades or in the case of Farragut at NOLA and later Mobile straight up invasion and landing of troops. Plus the North was able to effectively go after blockade runners even far away from North American shores
That alone was huge. Southern exports could not get out or were seized and foreign commercial interests were not interested in challenging warships and their governments, particularly Britain were not going to affect a confrontation on behalf of a slave owning society. Seeing as how they had abolished slavery officially less than 30 years before.
That alone was huge. Southern exports could not get out or were seized and foreign commercial interests were not interested in challenging warships and their governments, particularly Britain were not going to affect a confrontation on behalf of a slave owning society. Seeing as how they had abolished slavery officially less than 30 years before.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 6:37 am to Wolfhound45
McClellan was a helluva administration and logistics man.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 6:49 am to OrangeEmpire
quote:It has been said many times he was the individual who created the Army of the Potomac. An exceptional leader for the right task. But he was timid and indecisive in battle.
McClellan was a helluva administration and logistics man.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 7:31 am to KiwiHead
Mass starvation occurred immediately after the war in the South
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:13 am to prplhze2000
Starvation and food shortages was something that endemic all over the South towards the end the war as well.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:30 am to RollTide1987
You know the one thing I really hate about today's society is that Men of the South can't just revere men like Stonewall Jackson for who they were, and what they tried to accomplish against all odds, back then and the cause many Southerners supported. I live near Nashville and the area is steeped in Civil War History. Books like Company Aytch are fascinating reads from the common man perspective. I get all the other aspects that created the war, and we should know that as well, but gosh darn it I grew up idolizing the stories and efforts of men like Jackson, Lee, JEB Stuart. Part of my heritage.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 9:47 am to Wolfhound45
Playing the what if game with the Peninsula Campaign.
The Pinkerton’s were spot on with their intelligence that the confederates could put 60,000 in the field but somehow that information was tripled to 180,000.
I’ve often wondered what outcome would’ve occurred if Mac didn’t withdraw from Richmond.
A Union force from the North would’ve marched south all but unopposed to Hanover County if not Henrico County.
The Pinkerton’s were spot on with their intelligence that the confederates could put 60,000 in the field but somehow that information was tripled to 180,000.
I’ve often wondered what outcome would’ve occurred if Mac didn’t withdraw from Richmond.
A Union force from the North would’ve marched south all but unopposed to Hanover County if not Henrico County.
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