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re: 158 years ago this evening, Stonewall Jackson was shot by his own men...
Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:36 am to CedarChest
Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:36 am to CedarChest
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Things would have been much better for everybody
Really everybody?
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Posted on 5/4/21 at 6:39 am to RollTide1987
I have always enjoyed the civil war what if games.
Imagine if Jackson's reconnoiter expedition to the United States Ford was uninterrupted and that he was not shot.
Jackson could have possibly blocked the United States Ford and that would have left the Army of the Potomac in the Wilderness.
That would leave the Army of the Potomac having to fight it's way out of the Wilderness likely under the Command of Darius Couch.
Who knows how the battle would have turned out and the result would have likely cancelled the invasion of the North by Lee.
Imagine if Jackson's reconnoiter expedition to the United States Ford was uninterrupted and that he was not shot.
Jackson could have possibly blocked the United States Ford and that would have left the Army of the Potomac in the Wilderness.
That would leave the Army of the Potomac having to fight it's way out of the Wilderness likely under the Command of Darius Couch.
Who knows how the battle would have turned out and the result would have likely cancelled the invasion of the North by Lee.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 6:42 am to Hester Carries
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If Stonewall doesnt die, the CSA wins the war
If saban never leaves LSU, the tigers have 10 national titles by now. See? Any one can be delusional
Posted on 5/4/21 at 6:44 am to White Devil
It wasn't limited to Lee but rather the entire command staff of the Army of Northern Virginia.
Meade knew exactly what was coming on the third day, it was straight out of Frederick the Great's playbook.
Lee's intent was to put pressure on the wings of Meade's army with the death blow coming from center and rear.
It's amazing how the East Calvary Battle is forgotten when discussing Gettysburg.
Meade knew exactly what was coming on the third day, it was straight out of Frederick the Great's playbook.
Lee's intent was to put pressure on the wings of Meade's army with the death blow coming from center and rear.
It's amazing how the East Calvary Battle is forgotten when discussing Gettysburg.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 6:52 am to CedarChest
quote:It was not an established goal of the battle to exploit a victory and then capture Washington. It was not even considered prior to the fight. The people on both sides were rank amateurs with the exception of those who had fought in the Mexican War.
Well, somebody did.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 6:54 am to OrangeEmpire
quote:And the efforts of some relatively unknown Union cavalry commander. What was his name?
East Calvary Battle
Posted on 5/4/21 at 6:56 am to antibarner
Foreign intervention was the only viable way the South could have won the war.
Antietam and the Emancipation destroyed this option.
Antietam and the Emancipation destroyed this option.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 6:57 am to Wolfhound45
Posted on 5/4/21 at 7:00 am to OrangeEmpire
Posted on 5/4/21 at 7:40 am to Wolfhound45
All in all I am sure thankful that the north won
Posted on 5/4/21 at 7:42 am to thejuiceisloose
Exactly, could you imagine the country being fractured and the South subservient to England?
Posted on 5/4/21 at 7:44 am to Hester Carries
quote:So it was an Italian Job?!?!?!?
“Giovanni Princip”
I’ve been to the Krankenhaus in Terezín where he expired.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 8:22 am to RollTide1987
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Stonewall Jackson was shot by his own men...
Will never not be funny.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 8:34 am to pvilleguru
I’m impressed how many of you are so knowledgeable about so much of this.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 8:34 am to Wolfhound45
George Armstrong Custer did well at Gettysburg. But...he swashed one too many buckles against the Sioux and Friends and it cost him.
This post was edited on 5/4/21 at 8:47 am
Posted on 5/4/21 at 8:39 am to RollTide1987
The then and now picture is incorrect. I have been there, at the historic site. People are directed to a spot closer to an unpaved trail.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 8:51 am to LSUinMA
Another What If at Gettysburg is the attack of the 3rd Georgia Infantry on Day 2, they actually broke through and overran some guns but were unsupported on their flanks and were forced to withdraw.
Had Posey come up to support Wright as ordered, who commanded 3GA, he was not far from taking Meade's HQ, who knows? They actually advanced farther that Pickett managed.
Had Posey come up to support Wright as ordered, who commanded 3GA, he was not far from taking Meade's HQ, who knows? They actually advanced farther that Pickett managed.
This post was edited on 5/4/21 at 8:53 am
Posted on 5/4/21 at 9:49 am to antibarner
Gettysburg is a fascinating study of what ifs.
Imagine after making contact with Union forces if Lee withdrew to ground suited for a defensive battle on Lee's terms.
Judging from Lee's letters and discussions with Davis, Lee sought out a Cannae or total destruction of a field army.
At this point in the war, Lee thought this would be the only way to gain Southern Recognition.
From everything we have available, Lee's mood and temper showed at Gettysburg. Lee knew this was the battle and fought accordingly but his subordinates did not match his vigor.
Which in part lay with Lee, because he routinely expected his subordinates to simply "understand" his orders. Jackson was truly the only one who understood Lee and his absence showed.
Imagine after making contact with Union forces if Lee withdrew to ground suited for a defensive battle on Lee's terms.
Judging from Lee's letters and discussions with Davis, Lee sought out a Cannae or total destruction of a field army.
At this point in the war, Lee thought this would be the only way to gain Southern Recognition.
From everything we have available, Lee's mood and temper showed at Gettysburg. Lee knew this was the battle and fought accordingly but his subordinates did not match his vigor.
Which in part lay with Lee, because he routinely expected his subordinates to simply "understand" his orders. Jackson was truly the only one who understood Lee and his absence showed.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 11:13 am to OrangeEmpire
I think the language of the day hampered them. Nowadays the order from Lee to Ewell would have been "Take Culp's Hill"..what does "if practicable" even mean? That just begged to create confusion, and it did.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 11:26 am to antibarner
Ewell was never the same after his leg amputation. The Ewell from the Valley campaign takes Culp's Hill.
I think the psychological side to the war is something that is missed out on as well.
Stuart was never the same after taking over Jackson's command at Chancellorsville.
We know from correspondence from Stuart to his wife that the loss of life weighed heavily on him.
It is mere speculation, but it would explain why Stuart pressed so hard during the Gettysburg Campaign as an attempt to make up for that loss of life.
I think the psychological side to the war is something that is missed out on as well.
Stuart was never the same after taking over Jackson's command at Chancellorsville.
We know from correspondence from Stuart to his wife that the loss of life weighed heavily on him.
It is mere speculation, but it would explain why Stuart pressed so hard during the Gettysburg Campaign as an attempt to make up for that loss of life.
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