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re: 158 years ago this evening, Stonewall Jackson was shot by his own men...
Posted on 5/4/21 at 12:26 pm to CedarChest
Posted on 5/4/21 at 12:26 pm to CedarChest
Beauregard was in command at First Manassas.
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Posted on 5/4/21 at 12:30 pm to Wolfhound45
Was Burford the guy you were thinking of? Because he is really the reason the North was able to consolidate and establis themselves at Gettysburg
Posted on 5/4/21 at 12:57 pm to KiwiHead
We were talking about East Calvary Field.
Everyone typically remembers Custer and forgets about David Gregg.
Everyone typically remembers Custer and forgets about David Gregg.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 1:02 pm to KiwiHead
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Beauregard was in command at First Manassas.
Yes and no. Not to be that guy but Beauregard was superseded in command by Joseph E. Johnston. It was Johnston who made the decision not to pursue the retreating Union army.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 2:38 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 5/4/21 at 3:13 pm to OrangeEmpire
The same super genius that ordered Pemberton out of the works at Vicksburg if I am not mistaken.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 3:30 pm to antibarner
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The same super genius that ordered Pemberton out of the works at Vicksburg if I am not mistaken.
The objective was for the two forces to combine into one. When Johnston changed his mind, Pemberton reversed course and ran smack dab into Grant's army at Champion Hill.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 3:32 pm to antibarner
Johnston sent Pemberton a message that if Haynes Bluff was lost that "Vicksburg would be untenable" and escape with the garrison.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 3:48 pm to Penrod
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Absurd! The CSA had no chance against the USA
NVC & DPRK say hello...
It takes will to win. Lincoln, Grant, Sherman and a few others were the prime reason the union won.
What happens if Stonewall is at Gettysburg...a loss in Union territory would have been devastating as well as a route to march on DC...
There was a legitimate chance to terms if that happens. The nerve to fight in the north was already waning and Lincoln was losing support.
Now, yeah, the South had no business lasting even that long in that war. Yet there they were...because of Lee and Jackson.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 4:53 pm to Hester Carries
I don’t think so. Take it from Rhett Butler:
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The only way the South could have avoided defeat was if they used guerrila style tactics North Vietnam used, or gotten backing from foreign govt.
Whoever their generals were and conventional warfare tactics wouldn’t have mattered.
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The only way the South could have avoided defeat was if they used guerrila style tactics North Vietnam used, or gotten backing from foreign govt.
Whoever their generals were and conventional warfare tactics wouldn’t have mattered.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:04 pm to RollTide1987
Vicksburg had to be held. There was no reason for Pemberton to be sallying forth on a campaign to begin with.
Just a waste of effort supplies and manpower. The entire campaign would have been better served to have prepared for a siege pinning Grant's army at Vicksburg and bleeding him dry with hit and run attacks to his rear until sufficient forces could be brought to bear to break the siege .
Just a waste of effort supplies and manpower. The entire campaign would have been better served to have prepared for a siege pinning Grant's army at Vicksburg and bleeding him dry with hit and run attacks to his rear until sufficient forces could be brought to bear to break the siege .
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:11 am to KiwiHead
quote:Custer. The relatively unknown cavalry battle that was probably pivotal in the defeat of "Pickett's Charge."
Was Burford the guy you were thinking of?
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:41 am to IceTiger
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It takes will to win. Lincoln, Grant, Sherman and a few others were the prime reason the union won.
Sheridan’s contributions cannot be ignored.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:42 am to IceTiger
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Now, yeah, the South had no business lasting even that long in that war. Yet there they were...because of Lee and Jackson
You could say McClellan’s hesitance played a role.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:44 am to Tornado Alley
"If General McClellan and does not intend to use his army, may I borrow it?"
- Abraham Lincoln
- Abraham Lincoln
Posted on 5/5/21 at 10:31 am to Wolfhound45
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Wolfhound45
This man is a War of Northern Aggression encyclopedia.
#respect
Posted on 5/5/21 at 11:23 am to Tornado Alley
quote:Thanks for the kind words. But that would be RollTide1987. I try to join in on his threads from time to time and add a little color commentary. Just some additional context to dispel well intentioned errors.
This man is a War of Northern Aggression encyclopedia.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 11:56 am to Wolfhound45
You gentlemen provide a wealth of knowledge. I do hope one day soon to tour a few of the battlefields, especially Gettysburg.
Being near Mobile there are some sites here, some of the very last battles of the war were fought close to where I am right now.
Being near Mobile there are some sites here, some of the very last battles of the war were fought close to where I am right now.
This post was edited on 5/5/21 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 5/5/21 at 11:58 am to antibarner
quote:I toured Gettysburg as part of my Army War College experience. Just incredible. And I did Antietam as a staff ride in my second semester (I served as Longstreet for the fight). We truly do not understand the breadth of issues that were addressed (or failed to be addressed) during that time period. We are still living with them today.
I do hope one day soon to tour a few of the battlefields, especially Gettysburg.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 12:03 pm to Wolfhound45
That we are. I often wonder had Lincoln survived would things have been different, or not, post war.
The issues we have today, it seemed we were making progress, then the wrong set of pols came along. A shame.
The issues we have today, it seemed we were making progress, then the wrong set of pols came along. A shame.
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