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re: Spinoff: Good movies and TV shows with bad beginnings
Posted on 10/16/20 at 3:26 pm to truthbetold
Posted on 10/16/20 at 3:26 pm to truthbetold
I think the Office is the most famous example. But they get a pass because it was a shortened mid season replacement.
Once they stopped trying to be like the British show and let Carrell own Michael Scott, it was off to the races.
Once they stopped trying to be like the British show and let Carrell own Michael Scott, it was off to the races.
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Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:41 pm to truthbetold
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Succession comes to mind as something that took about half a season to grab my attention. My first reaction was "god damn all these people suck". But then by the end of season 1, and all of season 2, that shite knocked it out of the park.
Succession is a great show, but to be fair every time I watch any episode I walk away thinking “god damn all these people suck”
Posted on 10/16/20 at 6:06 pm to JoeNelson
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Peaky Blinders. I only say this because i stated and stopped watching 2-3 times before i actually got hooked. Subtitles saved it for me
Stop it.
Peaky blinders comes with the heat on episode 1
Posted on 10/16/20 at 6:09 pm to SpqrTiger
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Star Trek: TNG got off to an awkward start with a new set of characters, new ships, new
You could throw Deep Space Nine in here as well. I wouldn't call the first season bad per say, but it took a while to kick into gear.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 7:24 pm to truthbetold
wrong spinoff, carry on. This post was edited on 10/16/20 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 10/16/20 at 7:53 pm to Backinthe615
Justified starts a little slow. Good pilot but a lot of stand alone episodes that first season. It picks up toward the end of the first season and of course season 2 is television greatness.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 7:59 pm to truthbetold
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Succession
Seinfeld is probably #1 but this is #2 for me. It was on my second try that I got into and that's only because I caught a marathon on HBO at the beginning. I never would have streamed again.
I'll go old school and say The Andy Griffith Show. Andy was basically playing the goofball idiot from No Time for Sergeants and it was almost unbearable until he handed the comedy reigns to Don Knotts
Posted on 10/16/20 at 8:10 pm to ksdolfan
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Seinfeld is doesn't hit it's stride until after the first season or two.
Seinfeld was the first show that came to my mind when I saw the OP.
Here's what I wrote about seasons 1 and 2 of Seinfeld in a similar thread back in August:
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Seinfeld is my favorite sitcom (potentially even TV show) of all time, but the first two seasons are meh.
Season 1 is flat out bad. You can tell Jerry was uncomfortable in the early going as an actor in terms of his delivery, expressions and timing. George isn't George yet. And you can tell Richards hadn't figured out yet how to play Kramer, since he gave off an awkward serial killer vibe in the early episodes instead of the gregarious, wacky neighbor (and sometimes moral compass) role he transitioned into.
Season 2 is better, and there are some memorable episodes in it that sandwiched between forgettable ones, but still lower than other seasons.
Season 3 is when the show really hit its stride and became what we know it to be today.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 8:15 pm to SpqrTiger
Every time I see the Tasha Yar death episode on TV, it symbolizes how disjointed and unplanned that first season or two looked. She's killed for no reason by a space monster that looks cheap even by original series standards, and magically has this pre-recorded, up-to-date "suicide note" hologram ready to tell each main character what she liked about them. Did they update their death messages every week or something?
Took em a while to find a groove where the federation has been exploring the galaxy long enough to find some new enemies and evolve existing relationships with established groups.
Took em a while to find a groove where the federation has been exploring the galaxy long enough to find some new enemies and evolve existing relationships with established groups.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 8:28 pm to truthbetold
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Posted on 10/16/20 at 8:45 pm to truthbetold
Parks and Rec. Once Ben and Chris join the cast, and they stopped writing Leslie as a complete idiot, the show really takes off.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 10:10 pm to truthbetold
Mad Men.
Took me almost the whole first season to get into it. The mysterious Don Draper didn't click with me at first, and there are a lot of characters to learn.
Took me almost the whole first season to get into it. The mysterious Don Draper didn't click with me at first, and there are a lot of characters to learn.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 10:44 pm to truthbetold
First season of The Simpsons was very rough around the edges. The animation and voice-acting were a bit grating. That's definitely retrospect, though.
Posted on 10/17/20 at 7:28 am to PowerTool
I always thought that episode looked cheap, too. And I have many of the same gripes with it. But I think it’s an important episode for the series, and it’s the point where things took a turn for the better show-wise.
I think TNG started with too many “main” characters that were pulling focus away from each other. Losing Tasha Yar meant one fewer character doing that. Sending Wesley to the academy later also helped.
TNG needed to clarify for the viewer who the main protagonists were. The more the series focused on Picard, the better it got.
I think TNG started with too many “main” characters that were pulling focus away from each other. Losing Tasha Yar meant one fewer character doing that. Sending Wesley to the academy later also helped.
TNG needed to clarify for the viewer who the main protagonists were. The more the series focused on Picard, the better it got.
Posted on 10/17/20 at 9:28 am to Pettifogger
I agree what most everyone has said. To add to this:
quote:When Saul was introduced it brought a new, excellent dynamic the show needed.
But Breaking Bad is kind of a slog to get started in. Everyone is miserable, the setting is miserable, etc.
Posted on 10/17/20 at 10:51 am to Hulkklogan
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Mad Men.
Took me almost the whole first season to get into it. The mysterious Don Draper didn't click with me at first, and there are a lot of characters to learn.
Yeah, I can see this
The show really picks up when they finally figure out that no one gives a frick that he took someone’s identity. That scene in Berts office with Pete is a turning point, although I was already hooked before that point personally
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:18 pm to wildtigercat93
Bojack Horseman has got to be up there. Critics slammed the first half of the season because they didn’t see where they were going, but each season gets better and better. It’s an amazing show.
Posted on 10/17/20 at 3:57 pm to PowerTool
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She's killed for no reason
She wanted off the show because of
A. The way they treated the women on set and in storylines
B. She was miserable on set
C. She wanted out to do movies
Posted on 10/18/20 at 12:45 pm to truthbetold
I finally got around to watching the office. The first and majority of the second season were mediocre, IMO. I almost gave up on the show.
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