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re: Why wouldn't Browns take Saquon Barkley first overall?

Posted on 1/3/18 at 2:19 pm to
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 2:19 pm to
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if the browns were anyone other then the browns, they would trade the #1 and #4 picks to get 2 lower 1st round picks and 2 more 2nd round picks and possibly even a couple of 3rds from a team in desperate need.


Y'all do realize the Browns have done that pretty much every year right?
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 2:23 pm to
No, they need elite talent.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 2:24 pm to
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busts as first rounders as they do every year



You build from the lines OUT... Give or take A couple special position players............
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 2:25 pm to
I legitimately wouldn't be opposed to the Browns taking a QB at 1 and at 4 (or 5, wherever that early 2nd pick is).
Posted by Lou
Modesto, CA
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 4:05 pm to
Their first overall pick will be Josh Allen, QB - Wyoming.
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
28052 posts
Posted on 1/3/18 at 4:08 pm to
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Their first overall pick will be Josh Allen, QB - Wyoming.


Nah, he's going to slide to the Patriots, who will let him sit and learn under Brady his last 2ish+ years.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 4:09 pm to
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Bc Barley isn't even the best RB in the draft this year.... much less worthy of a top 10 pick.



Who is?
Posted by Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 4:18 pm to
They need more than a rb
Posted by Peter Venkman
Jackson, TN
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 4:36 pm to
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I legitimately wouldn't be opposed to the Browns taking a QB at 1 and at 4 (or 5, wherever that early 2nd pick is).

While you're right that mathematically every quarterback can't be a bust this would cause more harm than good because you're effectively telling them both that you don't trust them enough to hand them the keys to the franchise.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
112327 posts
Posted on 1/3/18 at 4:40 pm to
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While you're right that mathematically every quarterback can't be a bust this would cause more harm than good because you're effectively telling them both that you don't trust them enough to hand them the keys to the franchise.


A huge part of being a franchise QB is being able to handle adversity and wanting to be the guy. The guy who is gonna cry about not being handed everything, is likely not the one you want
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 5:01 pm to
don't forget the one you choose will be better faster bc he had to compete for the job...
Posted by Dogfish
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 5:38 pm to
They're trading the first pick to the Jags for Bortles. That's why
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 5:59 pm to
I would take Baker Douchefield 100/100 over Darnold. Another overhyped USC guy that is going to be a turnover machine*.





*Neither one should be taken #1 overall. Just Douchefield ahead of Darnold.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 6:47 pm to
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Barkley is probably the best player in the draft and they have another pick at 4. I doubt he last until the fourth pick, so why not just take him first overall?


They need a lot of things but RB isn't high on that list by comparison. Duke Johnson is a solid overall RB (very good at catching passes out of the backfield) and Crowell is good in spurts.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30191 posts
Posted on 1/3/18 at 7:03 pm to
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I don't think Kizer is the long term answer.




I don't either, but one of two things is occurring:

1) The Cleveland browns literally whiff on every QB draft pick

or

2) The Cleveland browns ruin every QB draft pick

In either case, the Cleveland Browns are pretty much wasting a pick by choosing a QB.

I'd rather have Kizer with a stud offensive line than Rosen, Darnold, or anyone else behind a shite line.
This post was edited on 1/3/18 at 7:03 pm
Posted by KillerNut9
Pearl Jam
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 8:06 pm to
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He looks like another Trent Richardson to me


Posted by GoldenBoy
Winning!
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 3/2/18 at 3:59 pm to
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Bc Barley isn't even the best RB in the draft this year.... much less worthy of a top 10 pick.




SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH!
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/2/18 at 4:22 pm to
They should if they have two top 5 picks.

But that other pick needs to be a QB.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/2/18 at 5:50 pm to
because his career may be over before they put together a complete offensive line?
Posted by sgallo3
Dorne
Member since Sep 2008
24747 posts
Posted on 3/2/18 at 6:27 pm to
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Cleveland outrushed their opponents by ~150 yards on ~80 fewer carries. They also had >1 average yards per carry than their opponents. That's huge. Barkley is not even a need.


thats the thing, everyone is talking about shelf life being short, thats not the real issue in my opinion.

the real issue is a better RB might get you .2 yards per carry more than the guy you have, whereas improving other areas could make a much bigger difference

i would like to see a Value Over Replacement stat for NFL RBs compared to linemen
This post was edited on 3/2/18 at 6:28 pm
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