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Court rules partners are INDIVIDUALLY liable for sales tax

Posted on 1/23/23 at 5:44 am
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15036 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 5:44 am
Any reactions as until now the company "shielded" from this but many said that was a loophold.

I'm torn because I worry about the unwary partner.

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Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
34953 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 5:45 am to
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I'm torn


No you aren’t, you subhuman communist.
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 6:39 am to
If partners are responsible for running the corporation then why would they not be responsible for paying the required taxes.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15036 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 6:54 am to
But individually if corporate doesn't do it?
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56205 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 8:30 am to
In an ongoing entity, isnt this just semantics?
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20402 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:48 am to
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failed to timely file a New York sales and use tax return for the period December 1, 2014, through February 28, 2015


Geez. This generally takes a massive effort to do for that long. As in to the point where upper level management was likely involved, at least their controller, CFO, etc.

Posted by lsujro
north of the wall
Member since Jul 2007
3919 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:51 am to
sales tax enforcement is ruthless. in LA, they will shut your business down and absolutely sue the beneficial owners of any entity to make you personally liable. that's not the taxes i would screw around with
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51489 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 10:08 am to
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Court rules partners are INDIVIDUALLY liable for sales tax


Put it into context. This only comes into play when the business entity fails to pay sales tax.

I have no problem with this.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37034 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 2:47 pm to
Yup. Responsible party.

Gotta read the docs before you sign them.

Just wait. Once IRS partnership audits under the new rules really start to take off, you are going to find that the "representative" listed on the tax return is gonna have a lot of obligation they probably don't want...

Also... sales tax is like payroll withholding. The agencies get real pissy with it, because it's not a company expense... it's simply the company is supposed to collect and remit as an agent of the government.
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
11494 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 3:52 pm to
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sales tax enforcement is ruthless. in LA, they will shut your business down


Even if you are in the ICU unconscious for weeks they will come in and shut your business down. Wouldn't reopen for like 3 days after they had their money and they had their money within an hour of two of someone who was conscious knowing about the situation.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20402 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 4:04 pm to
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Also... sales tax is like payroll withholding. The agencies get real pissy with it, because it's not a company expense... it's simply the company is supposed to collect and remit as an agent of the government.


Yep. While I agree with it as a liablity, its bullshite for them not to be paying back more of the costs to collect and remit. I pay 2.5% credit card fees and I'm paid back $30 on the first $1000 of sales tax. I paid almost $7500 in CC fees just on my sales tax alone and got back a whopping $720 from the state DOR. If I'm going to be your agent, you should be taking on more of my expense.
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 4:05 pm
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
38755 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 8:36 pm to
What's the point of LLC?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123814 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 5:41 am to
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I worry about the unwary partner
Why?
quote:

because he was a member of the LLC, and because he was a person required to collect and remit tax under New York law
In fact the court did not consider other managers liable.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37034 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 11:32 am to
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I paid almost $7500 in CC fees just on my sales tax alone and got back a whopping $720 from the state DOR. If I'm going to be your agent, you should be taking on more of my expense


It seems like every time the state / parishes need a little more money, they shave that vendor comp down a bit...
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37034 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 11:34 am to
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What's the point of LLC?


Courts have essentially decided that an LLC does not absolve you from not performing duties required of you by a government agency, especially if, in theory, there isn't a business expense involved.

It's absolutely controversial.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
7643 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 6:27 pm to
Uh, this isn’t a “partner.” It is a member of a LLC. Haven’t read the case to see the reasoning, but I can tell you that many LLC members vastly overestimate the amount of personal liability protection provided by the LLC business form.
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