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WebMD: Infected, Vaccinated, or Both: How Protected Am I From COVID?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:24 am
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:24 am
My in-laws sent this to me this morning. They really want me to get vaccinated.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211110/how-covid-immunity-works
Here are some quotes from the article:
Not advocating to get the vaccine. I still haven't gotten it, and don't plan on it. Since we probably all reference WebMD, I figured I'd post the article.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211110/how-covid-immunity-works
Here are some quotes from the article:
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“Because, of course, it's much more risky to get infected with the actual virus, than with the vaccine,” says Daniela Weiskopf, PhD, a researcher at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology in California.
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The agency’s researchers say if you’ve recovered from a COVID-19 infection or are fully vaccinated, you’re probably in good shape for at least 6 months. That’s why this is the recommended interval for people to consider getting a booster dose.
Even though the protection you get after infection and vaccination is generally strong, it’s not perfect.
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Getting COVID-19 after you’ve been vaccinated or recovered is still possible. But having some immunity -- whether from infection or vaccination -- really drops the odds of this happening to you. And if you do happen to catch COVID, if your immune system has already gotten a heads up about the virus, your infection is much less likely to be one that lands you in the hospital or morgue.
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In general, people with cold-like symptoms who tested positive but recovered at home are better protected than people who didn’t get any symptoms. And people who were hospitalized for their infections are better protected over the long term than people with milder infections. Though they may have paid a steep price for that protection: Many hospitalized patients continue to have debilitating symptoms that last for months after they go home.
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On average, though, protection after infection seems to be comparable to vaccination, at least for a while. Six large studies from different countries have looked into this question, and five of them have used the very sensitive real-time polymerase chain reaction test (RT-PCR) -- the one that has to be sent off and processed in a lab, usually after an uncomfortably long swab is inserted deep into your sinuses --to count people as truly being previously infected. These studies found that for 6 to 9 months after recovery, a person was 80% to 93% less likely to get COVID-19 again.
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One study of 25,000 health care workers, who were all tested every 2 weeks -- whether they had symptoms or not -- may offer a clearer picture. In this study, health care workers who’d previously tested positive for COVID-19 were 84% less likely to test positive for the virus again. They were 93% less likely to get an infection that made them sick, and 52% less likely to get an infection without symptoms, for at least 6 months after they recovered.
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It’s not yet known how long the COVID-19 vaccines remain protective. There’s some evidence that protection against symptomatic infections wanes a bit over time as antibody levels drop. But protection against severe illness, including hospitalization and death, has remained high so far, even without a booster.
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Are Antibodies Different After Infection Compared to Vaccination?
Yes. And researchers don’t yet understand what these differences mean.
It seems to come down to a question of quality versus quantity. Vaccines seem to produce higher peak antibody levels than natural infections do. But these antibodies are highly specialized, able to recognize only the parts of the virus they were designed to target.
“The mRNA vaccine directs all the immune responses to the single spike protein,” says Alice Cho, PhD, who is studying the differences in vaccine and infection-created immunity at The Rockefeller University in New York. “There’s a lot more to respond to with a virus than there is in a vaccine.”
The job of remembering the various pieces and parts of a foreign invader, so that it can be quickly recognized and disarmed should it ever return, falls to immune cells called memory B cells.
Memory B cells, in turn, make plasma cells that then crank out antibodies that are custom tailored to attach to their targets.
Antibody levels gradually fall over a few months’ time as the plasma cells that make them die off. But memory B cells live for extended periods. One study that was attempting to measure the lifespan of individual memory B cells in mice, found that these cells probably live as long as the mouse itself. Memory B cells induced by smallpox vaccination may live at least 60 years -- virtually an entire lifetime.
“Those stay resident in our lymph nodes and primarily in our bone marrow and are called out whenever the body sees that same pathogen again,” Poland says.
Cho’s research team has found that when memory B cells are trained by the vaccine, they become one-hit wonders, cranking out copious amounts of the same kinds of antibodies over and over again.
Memory B cells trained by viral infection, however, are more versatile. They continue to evolve over several months and produce higher quality antibodies that appear to become more potent over time and can even develop activity against future variants.
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“While a natural infection may induce maturation of antibodies with broader activity than a vaccine does -- a natural infection can also kill you,” says Michel Nussenzweig, MD, PhD, head of Rockefeller’s Laboratory of Molecular Immunology.
Sure, memory B cells generated by infections may be immunological Swiss Army Knives, but maybe, argues Donna Farber, PhD, an immunologist at Columbia University in New York, we really only need a single blade.
“The thing with the vaccine is that it’s really focused,” she says. “It’s not giving you all these other viral proteins. It’s only giving you the spike.”
“It may be even better than the level of neutralizing spike antibodies you’re going to get from the infection,” she says. “With a viral infection, the immune response really has a lot to do. It’s really being distracted by all these other proteins.”
“Whereas with the vaccine, it’s just saying to the immune response, ‘This is the immunity we need,’” Farber says. “‘Just generate this immunity.’ So it’s focusing the immune response in a way that’s going to guarantee that you’re going to get that protective response.”
Not advocating to get the vaccine. I still haven't gotten it, and don't plan on it. Since we probably all reference WebMD, I figured I'd post the article.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:26 am to finchmeister08
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WebMD
Part of the fall of society
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:29 am to ksayetiger
the article actually read 45/55 on immune vs vaccine immunity. it leaned a little towards vaccine because it's the "best of both worlds", but it didn't deny natural immunity is still immunity.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:29 am to finchmeister08
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Are Antibodies Different After Infection Compared to Vaccination?
Yes. And researchers don’t yet understand what these differences mean.
At least they admit to being science deniers. Science doesn't default to "we dont know so take the shot as it must be better."
fricking idiots, everywhere.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:31 am to finchmeister08
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The agency’s researchers say if you’ve recovered from a COVID-19 infection or are fully vaccinated, you’re probably in good shape for at least 6 months.
Well, that's not entirely right. One of these is only good for 6 months. The other seems to last longer.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:34 am to finchmeister08
No one has yet to answer the most basic question that everyone should ask before they put anything in their body --
What are the side effects of these drugs -- both short-term and long-term?
You can die from getting Covid. You can die from getting the "vaccines". You can die from getting Covid after getting the "vaccine". And, since there is ZERO F*CKING DOUBT that the government is actively hiding the "vaccine" side effects, it just makes no sense to bring in those added and unknown side effects of the "vaccines".
What are the side effects of these drugs -- both short-term and long-term?
You can die from getting Covid. You can die from getting the "vaccines". You can die from getting Covid after getting the "vaccine". And, since there is ZERO F*CKING DOUBT that the government is actively hiding the "vaccine" side effects, it just makes no sense to bring in those added and unknown side effects of the "vaccines".
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:37 am to finchmeister08
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They really want me to get vaccinated.
Why? For them? Or for you?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:38 am to moneyg
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Why? For them? Or for you?
for me. they've already been vaccinated so they should be "fine".
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:54 am to finchmeister08
The risk of re-infection at 6 months is significantly lower than the risk of infection 6 months after vaccination.
There is zero data on hospitalization or death for re-infection. I think you can figure out why. The risk of hospitalization after vaccination is around 3.5-4%. The risk of death after vaccination is around 0.7%.
There is zero data on hospitalization or death for re-infection. I think you can figure out why. The risk of hospitalization after vaccination is around 3.5-4%. The risk of death after vaccination is around 0.7%.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:57 am to finchmeister08
Nobody really knows shite about this virus....way too early to make conclusions!
Make your decision and live your life.
Make your decision and live your life.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 10:36 am to finchmeister08
The vaccine does not prevent you from getting Covid. It just might make your case not as severe. There is no preventing getting Covid.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 10:39 am to finchmeister08
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for me. they've already been vaccinated so they should be "fine".
If it were me, I would thank them for caring about me and acknowledge that you recognize that they are doing it out of love.
Then, I would let them know that you find the conversation insulting and offensive. And, you know they wouldn't knowingly do that.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 10:41 am to finchmeister08
You should tell your in laws to mind their own business.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 10:42 am to finchmeister08
1 in 5200 die from the vaccine
1 in 260 get some obvious injury or impairment.
1 in 26,000 die from the virus under the age of 50 and relatively healthy.
In simple math terms, it's stupid to get the vaccine.
It's around 1 in 1600 to die from the virus over 50.
1 in 600 or so over 65.
1 in 260 get some obvious injury or impairment.
1 in 26,000 die from the virus under the age of 50 and relatively healthy.
In simple math terms, it's stupid to get the vaccine.
It's around 1 in 1600 to die from the virus over 50.
1 in 600 or so over 65.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:03 am to finchmeister08
I relate to this
Every time I am at my parents watching the news and they highlight someone in the Memphis area under 40 who they say dies from Covid
My dad will snap his fingers and say yep see there !
Every time I am at my parents watching the news and they highlight someone in the Memphis area under 40 who they say dies from Covid
My dad will snap his fingers and say yep see there !
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:13 am to Lawyered
They are underplaying the natural immunity a lot. Studies have shown natural immunity is 13x better at fighting re-infection than vax. The CDC got caught lying about this.
Besides just look at the numbers in Israel, Scotland, England, and it is happening in Europe that a lot of vax'd are landing in the hospital. The corrupt CDC isn't tracking this because they know the last 6 mnths the Delta has laid waste to lots of vax'd people in Europe and Israel. So they said we will let the states handle that data and we are not collecting it.
Besides just look at the numbers in Israel, Scotland, England, and it is happening in Europe that a lot of vax'd are landing in the hospital. The corrupt CDC isn't tracking this because they know the last 6 mnths the Delta has laid waste to lots of vax'd people in Europe and Israel. So they said we will let the states handle that data and we are not collecting it.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:17 am to finchmeister08
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for me. they've already been vaccinated so they should be "fine".
Thats not how it works.
You have to get the vaccine to keep other vaccinated people from getting covid.
It only works if you do it. If not you are a mouth breathing heathen science denier.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:18 am to oldskule
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Nobody really knows shite about this virus...
The Chinese know alot about it, they designed it.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:35 am to IceTiger
Do you have any co-morbidities that would put you at higher risk of dying? Is that their concern? If not,ask them were are the studies showing the long term safety of the vaccine.There are none ,of course.
I have none except my age (nearly 71),I’ve done the VitC,D,zinc,magnesium thing and haven’t gotten it.I also take aspirin everyday to minimize clotting if I do get it.
I think I’m at higher risk than lots of people as my wife is a NP and has been exposed to Covid patients everyday of the pandemic,half her co-workers got it.I’m sure she has brought it home.I haven’t gotten it nor has anyone in our family.We have had everyone in the family on the vitamins since the beginning.
I don’t see how anyone can trust the vaccine with all the bull crap that has come out from the medical establishment and the government.
Fauci lying about funding the research in Wuhan,suppression of side effects of the vaccine,denigrating ivermectin and not allowing Drs. to prescribe it,it goes on and on.
It’s been,in large part,a big money making racket on the part of the Medical Industrial Complex,and a mechanism by our fascist government to control the citizenry.
I will probably take the Novavax version if and when it comes out but I’m not hopeful,Pfizer and Moderna and lots of politicians are making too much money off the mRNA vaccine.
Pfizer,at it’s core, is a dishonest company,I trust them not at all.Tell your in-laws to google Pfizer and all the billions they have paid out in fines and settling lawsuits over the years for all their frickery.
I have none except my age (nearly 71),I’ve done the VitC,D,zinc,magnesium thing and haven’t gotten it.I also take aspirin everyday to minimize clotting if I do get it.
I think I’m at higher risk than lots of people as my wife is a NP and has been exposed to Covid patients everyday of the pandemic,half her co-workers got it.I’m sure she has brought it home.I haven’t gotten it nor has anyone in our family.We have had everyone in the family on the vitamins since the beginning.
I don’t see how anyone can trust the vaccine with all the bull crap that has come out from the medical establishment and the government.
Fauci lying about funding the research in Wuhan,suppression of side effects of the vaccine,denigrating ivermectin and not allowing Drs. to prescribe it,it goes on and on.
It’s been,in large part,a big money making racket on the part of the Medical Industrial Complex,and a mechanism by our fascist government to control the citizenry.
I will probably take the Novavax version if and when it comes out but I’m not hopeful,Pfizer and Moderna and lots of politicians are making too much money off the mRNA vaccine.
Pfizer,at it’s core, is a dishonest company,I trust them not at all.Tell your in-laws to google Pfizer and all the billions they have paid out in fines and settling lawsuits over the years for all their frickery.
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