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Naw will win mip this year book it
Posted on 9/2/21 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 9/2/21 at 1:57 pm
Dude will average about 18 4 and 4 on 45 percent from field and 35 percent from 3, book it
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:46 pm to Dantheman504
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18/5/5 43% FG 37.5% 3pt
I would shite myself with excitement but I just don't think he's quite that good
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:03 pm to saintslsupels
Maybe in the latter half, but early on Im just looking for double digits.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:20 pm to andersBlake
Not likely but also not crazy. I ain't betting on it, but it wouldn't shock me, because I think NAW has greatness in him, and he's working hard to develop it.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:45 pm to saintslsupels
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I would shite myself with excitement but I just don't think he's quite that good
His stats in starts last season are pretty damn good:
13 games
45.9% FG
41.2% 3PT (on 7.5 3PA)
19 PTS
5 REB
3 AST
Obviously not saying he’s going to average that for the season, but he’s shown flashes
Posted on 9/2/21 at 10:09 pm to Epic Cajun
Starter NAW is 85% of SGA
Bench NAW is a poor man’s Jordan Poole
The decision to start him is clear IMO
He’s an above average starter when he gets the opportunity and he’s a terrible, mostly cold bench player when he doesn’t. Some people can play off the bench. NAW cannot based on what we have seen.
Bench NAW is a poor man’s Jordan Poole
The decision to start him is clear IMO
He’s an above average starter when he gets the opportunity and he’s a terrible, mostly cold bench player when he doesn’t. Some people can play off the bench. NAW cannot based on what we have seen.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 12:55 am to 3PieceSpicy
If NAW starts, I would say no... He would probably need to be the 4th or 5th leading scorer if we are winning games. So, I would say 12.5 a game. If he is 3rd, then we actually may have an issue with Graham or Joe V not producing to their mean.
If Joe is not getting you 15+ per game, then he is likely missing easy mid range shots, the majority of his 3's, offensive rebounding and putbacks are lacking and he is not getting to the line and/or hitting them at a 75% rate. Not good. U then are repeating a Steven Adams scenario but 2x more frustrated bc Joe is actually better offensively than Adams by a considerable margin. Joe should put up 17+ way more efficiently than in Memphis bc he should not be a focal point of a team's defensive strategy to key on this team like he was in Memphis. His dirty work game cleaning up behind Zion's action should merit him 6 pts alone per game.
Joe has to be the 3rd leading scorer for this reset to pay dividends. Graham, NAW and in the 2nd half of the year, add Trey (some nights), being able to alternate games who's got the hot hand in a given game, but Joe V HAS to be the 3rd consistent scorer, which he is more than capable of. He was 2nd on Memphis. They made the Playoffs. He has to be 3rd here. Period.
NAW will be counted on along with Graham to take pressure off of BI with end of quarter looks and possibly BI decoying for Graham/NAW to get a few game winner attempts, whomever is feeling it a particular game.
Also, we have too much depth for NAW to not be 1st or 2nd subbed-in for, especially if he's not impacting early or struggling defensively on his man. Hart and Graham will average more minutes than NAW. So that puts him as a 6th man in minutes. Plus, I expect Naji to impose his will on the coaches to give him quality minutes with the starters this year as well.
If NAW can just give double digits starting then he is doing his job. Trey and Naji, are the 2nd unit scorers, along with Zion if we dont go with Jax at the 4. Hart is lagniappe across the board. Kira is the enigma bc he may struggle with his role if its Point Zion with the 2nd unit.
But, like I said, almost rather Hart start, let him guard the best peremiter player and have a bomb squad for a 2nd unit and allow Zion to play point and find the shooters.
I see Zion, BI and Joe as the 20 per night guys and the rest of the squad, any # of players, on a given night, chippin in 10+ by committee until someone asserts themself. Might not be NAW every night, but hopefully we may not HAVE to have him put up 15+ a night to win.
If NAW is averaging 17+ and Joe getting his 17... We are a Top 5 seed in the West.
28(Zion)+25(BI)+18(NAW)+17(JV)= 88
Thats alot from just 4 off the starting unit and thats not accounting for Graham who I expect to average, low double digits himself if he plays to what is expected of him.
Scoring will not be a problem this year, as a team, but NAW averaging 18 is not likely as a starter. Maybe at or after the All Star break if he's just ballin out and knocking down 3 or 4 three-pointers a game on 7-10 attempts.
If Joe is not getting you 15+ per game, then he is likely missing easy mid range shots, the majority of his 3's, offensive rebounding and putbacks are lacking and he is not getting to the line and/or hitting them at a 75% rate. Not good. U then are repeating a Steven Adams scenario but 2x more frustrated bc Joe is actually better offensively than Adams by a considerable margin. Joe should put up 17+ way more efficiently than in Memphis bc he should not be a focal point of a team's defensive strategy to key on this team like he was in Memphis. His dirty work game cleaning up behind Zion's action should merit him 6 pts alone per game.
Joe has to be the 3rd leading scorer for this reset to pay dividends. Graham, NAW and in the 2nd half of the year, add Trey (some nights), being able to alternate games who's got the hot hand in a given game, but Joe V HAS to be the 3rd consistent scorer, which he is more than capable of. He was 2nd on Memphis. They made the Playoffs. He has to be 3rd here. Period.
NAW will be counted on along with Graham to take pressure off of BI with end of quarter looks and possibly BI decoying for Graham/NAW to get a few game winner attempts, whomever is feeling it a particular game.
Also, we have too much depth for NAW to not be 1st or 2nd subbed-in for, especially if he's not impacting early or struggling defensively on his man. Hart and Graham will average more minutes than NAW. So that puts him as a 6th man in minutes. Plus, I expect Naji to impose his will on the coaches to give him quality minutes with the starters this year as well.
If NAW can just give double digits starting then he is doing his job. Trey and Naji, are the 2nd unit scorers, along with Zion if we dont go with Jax at the 4. Hart is lagniappe across the board. Kira is the enigma bc he may struggle with his role if its Point Zion with the 2nd unit.
But, like I said, almost rather Hart start, let him guard the best peremiter player and have a bomb squad for a 2nd unit and allow Zion to play point and find the shooters.
I see Zion, BI and Joe as the 20 per night guys and the rest of the squad, any # of players, on a given night, chippin in 10+ by committee until someone asserts themself. Might not be NAW every night, but hopefully we may not HAVE to have him put up 15+ a night to win.
If NAW is averaging 17+ and Joe getting his 17... We are a Top 5 seed in the West.
28(Zion)+25(BI)+18(NAW)+17(JV)= 88
Thats alot from just 4 off the starting unit and thats not accounting for Graham who I expect to average, low double digits himself if he plays to what is expected of him.
Scoring will not be a problem this year, as a team, but NAW averaging 18 is not likely as a starter. Maybe at or after the All Star break if he's just ballin out and knocking down 3 or 4 three-pointers a game on 7-10 attempts.
This post was edited on 9/3/21 at 1:41 am
Posted on 9/3/21 at 1:53 am to andersBlake
NAW is a bucket. He will struggle defensively until he gets stronger but scoring won't be a problem.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 6:48 am to bayouboy318
NAW made Ball expendable, yep I believe, dude can play
Posted on 9/3/21 at 7:27 am to andersBlake
I checked the odds (LINK /). I didn't see NAW in the list. So he must be pretty far down. It is a good dark horse bet and would really pay off if you are right. I'd go for it, if I thought it would happen.
The top candidate (tied for first) in odds is Zion. I guess they figure he will be a MVP type of player this year. MIP would be a nice prize if he doesn't win MVP.
Going to be hard for NAW though. I think he would have to be our 1st or 2nd highest scoring player and be in that 17-19ppg at least. There are exceptions, but usually the MIP is a teams primary scorer. It could happen, especially if there is an injury. But not likely..
The top candidate (tied for first) in odds is Zion. I guess they figure he will be a MVP type of player this year. MIP would be a nice prize if he doesn't win MVP.
Going to be hard for NAW though. I think he would have to be our 1st or 2nd highest scoring player and be in that 17-19ppg at least. There are exceptions, but usually the MIP is a teams primary scorer. It could happen, especially if there is an injury. But not likely..
Posted on 9/3/21 at 8:36 am to brmark70816
How does someone who averaged 27 7 4 get the best odds for most improved this season? What are they expecting him to average? 35 10 5? 

Posted on 9/3/21 at 9:59 am to andersBlake
I think one thing nobody is taking into account is we don't know what the offense will look like yet.
When D'Antoni had Westbrook and Harden, those 2 averaged a combined 61.5 ppg, then you had
Eric Gordon 14.4
Capella 13.9
Jeff Green 12.2
Covington 11.6
House 10.5
That's kind of what I'm hoping to see here. Zion and Ingram feasting and everyone else eating the leftovers in a fairly distributed manner. If someone did emerge as a 3rd scorer I'd expect it to be Graham or JV before NAW.
When D'Antoni had Westbrook and Harden, those 2 averaged a combined 61.5 ppg, then you had
Eric Gordon 14.4
Capella 13.9
Jeff Green 12.2
Covington 11.6
House 10.5
That's kind of what I'm hoping to see here. Zion and Ingram feasting and everyone else eating the leftovers in a fairly distributed manner. If someone did emerge as a 3rd scorer I'd expect it to be Graham or JV before NAW.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:02 am to TigerinATL
Yeah, i don't see how naw will score 18 or 19 a night.
He would have to demand the ball some and have made a big leap.
He would have to demand the ball some and have made a big leap.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:43 am to andersBlake
I like NAW but he is flawed. He still dribbles way too high and isn't the greatest finisher at the rack
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:47 am to Pelefraan 1
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I like NAW but he is flawed. He still dribbles way too high and isn't the greatest finisher at the rack
I think he actually finishes pretty good. And compared to Ball, he's freaking Kyrie Irving at the rim.
NAW isn't the most talented defender but he TRIES and hustles.
I actually think he may be competing with Hayes for MIP.
If Hayes continues his ascendancy, he could very likely be the third best player on the team as soon as next year. He's that talented.
I think he's going to make Val expendable at the end of the year.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:48 am to ghost2most
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actually think he may be competing with Hayes for MIP
For the team or for the league?
Posted on 9/3/21 at 11:11 am to brmark70816
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For the team or for the league?
Both.
If Hayes improves as much as he did from year 1 to 2 in 2 to 3, he's going to be damn good.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 11:14 am to andersBlake
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Naw will win mip this year book it
mark me down for NOT BOOKING IT.
I personally do not think its guaranteed that NAW will win MIP.
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