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Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:27 am to LSU>USC
why would CDC produce a graph (like in the OP) that is outdated compared to the graph that LSU>USC posted?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:28 am to lsupride87
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Hmm, why are we panicking again?
Hospitalization, not that I agree with the panic but that’s why MSM will say
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:28 am to Chicken
quote:OP is broken down by age
why would CDC produce a graph (like in the OP) that is outdated compared to the graph that LSU>USC posted?
Kinda takes some time to do that across the entire nation
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:31 am to lsupride87
quote:Stop acting like I like death. I prefer to face reality rather than pretend things aren't happening.
Does this chart make you happier Kork, or still not enough death to satisfy you?
ETA: How can you make it out as if I like death when it's clear that your threshold for acceptable death is higher than mine?
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 11:36 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:31 am to lsupride87
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OP is broken down by age
Kinda takes some time to do that across the entire nation
And OP is weekly which is updated weekly instead of daily. Weekly will be updated again on 8/7.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:37 pm to LSU>USC
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Either the death total is going to catch up to the cases or this Delta variant is nothing more than a more contagious variant but far less deadly.
I know which option the media will feed me and I know which option is probably the true, and they are not the same.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:43 pm to lsupride87
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:56 pm to lsupride87
Can anyone find a dataset with hospitalizations, cases, and deaths in one?
I'd like to add a 7 day moving average for hospitalizations to the previous image but doesn't look like it's readily available. I looked through the available datasets and couldn't find what I was looking for. It would take me some time to manually build it. Seems like it would be obvious to include in one dataset but makes it seem like they purposefully don't want that easily available.
If you really want to see the impact of the hospitalizations usage and the death rate on the unvaccinated, hospitalizations stats vs deaths with cases thrown in as another dimension would paint a better picture. Show me cases to hospitalizations to deaths in one image.
If the death rate isn't keeping with cases and hospitalizations, and the vast majority of the hospitalizations are unvaccinated, then that would shed more light on the severity (or lack thereof) of the Delta variant against the unvaccinated.
Right now it appears to be (without having all datasets combined) we're seeing increases by varying degrees in cases and hospitalizations (amongst mostly unvaccinated and broken down by age group) BUT deaths are significantly lagging relatively.
I think the next month or so regarding the death rate will really give us a better idea of where we are with this virus, not that those data points will be used by those in charge.
I'd like to add a 7 day moving average for hospitalizations to the previous image but doesn't look like it's readily available. I looked through the available datasets and couldn't find what I was looking for. It would take me some time to manually build it. Seems like it would be obvious to include in one dataset but makes it seem like they purposefully don't want that easily available.
If you really want to see the impact of the hospitalizations usage and the death rate on the unvaccinated, hospitalizations stats vs deaths with cases thrown in as another dimension would paint a better picture. Show me cases to hospitalizations to deaths in one image.
If the death rate isn't keeping with cases and hospitalizations, and the vast majority of the hospitalizations are unvaccinated, then that would shed more light on the severity (or lack thereof) of the Delta variant against the unvaccinated.
Right now it appears to be (without having all datasets combined) we're seeing increases by varying degrees in cases and hospitalizations (amongst mostly unvaccinated and broken down by age group) BUT deaths are significantly lagging relatively.
I think the next month or so regarding the death rate will really give us a better idea of where we are with this virus, not that those data points will be used by those in charge.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:58 pm to LSU>USC
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If the death rate isn't keeping with cases and hospitalizations, and the vast majority of the hospitalizations are unvaccinated, then that would shed more light on the severity (or lack thereof) of the Delta variant against the unvaccinated. Right now it appears to be (without having all datasets combined) we're seeing increases by varying degrees in cases and hospitalizations (amongst mostly unvaccinated and broken down by age group) BUT deaths are significantly lagging relatively.
Isn’t that essentially what happened in England?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:38 pm to LSU>USC
Twitter Link
Here's some information regarding what's going on in other countries vs developed nations when it comes to Delta.
So I wouldn't necessarily say Delta is "less deadly," as I think that's still getting worked through, but it's definitely less deadly to Americans, Brits, etc. and this freak out is ridiculous.
![](https://i.imgur.com/nkoa9Zm.png)
Here's some information regarding what's going on in other countries vs developed nations when it comes to Delta.
So I wouldn't necessarily say Delta is "less deadly," as I think that's still getting worked through, but it's definitely less deadly to Americans, Brits, etc. and this freak out is ridiculous.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:41 pm to Korkstand
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. I prefer to face reality rather than pretend things aren't happening.
You sound like Mr Perfect from last year, fyi. Kinda weird that you bet him $1k last year that he was full of shite and now you're kinda taking his place.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:48 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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but it's definitely less deadly to Americans, Brits, etc. and this freak out is ridiculous.
I knew we'd be fine when I saw the UK curve for their delta experience. It seemed to burn through faster than prior waves.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:50 pm to GetCocky11
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I knew we'd be fine when I saw the UK curve for their delta experience. It seemed to burn through faster than prior waves
Ya, that gave me a high degree of confidence as well. We started seeing decoupling between cases and deaths pretty early in our run up. I've had people in the last few days repeat the "deaths lag cases" thing, but they seem to be unaware cases have been rising for quite a long time. I believe that's because media didn't start freaking out until two weeks ago, which is when common people became aware.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:52 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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I believe that's because media didn't start freaking out until two weeks ago
Yeah, the media stopped covering Covid for awhile around the 4th of July, even though Delta was in full swing in many other countries. It was obvious it was coming here.
The media dictates when Covid ends.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:58 pm to GetCocky11
An interesting topic left out is the cases in the UK fell after they dropped their mask mandate.
They saw the decoupling and wanted to return to normalcy. Also, they saw the vaccines working and wanted to promote vaccination (smart) over masks. The US going back to masks is a terrible message. I don't think anyone seriously believes masks can turn around a wave of infection even if they believe masks work, and certainly no where close to what a vaccine can, and yet this message muddles that point.
They saw the decoupling and wanted to return to normalcy. Also, they saw the vaccines working and wanted to promote vaccination (smart) over masks. The US going back to masks is a terrible message. I don't think anyone seriously believes masks can turn around a wave of infection even if they believe masks work, and certainly no where close to what a vaccine can, and yet this message muddles that point.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:02 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Why anyone under the age of 75 takes this vaccine is amazing to me.
I know a 50 year old on a vent that would amaze your socks off.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:20 pm to lsupride87
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Hmm, why are we panicking again?
Because the US has 20-30 ICU beds per 100,000 people. SOURCE
And when COVID peaks, like as your graph shows, ICUs and ERs are flooded with COVID patients and unable to give non-COVID patients the appropriate care (trauma/disease/etc).
That's the true reason for concern. Definitely not worth the level of panic we see from certain individuals, but definitely worth being concerned about.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 3:01 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:I won that bet by being realistic. Same as now. I'm not going to "pick a side" and stick to it regardless of what I see. I gather new information and process it rationally.
You sound like Mr Perfect from last year, fyi. Kinda weird that you bet him $1k last year that he was full of shite and now you're kinda taking his place.
So the "sky is falling" crowd hates me when I say it's not that bad, we shouldn't shut shite down, etc. and the "covid ain't shite" crowd hates me when I say that it's counter-productive to downplay everything. And that's fine, I'm not trying to make friends.
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