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How many of you retirees still have a home mortgage (purposefully)? What is your mindset?

Posted on 7/17/21 at 12:18 pm
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 12:18 pm
Positive spread,
Investment spread > low interest mortgage

I am planning retirement in next 5-8 yrs. Always favored positive spread over peace of mind re low interest mortgage.

That said, have planned full payoff at retirement start for peace of mind.

However, just refinanced at 2.8% and in working with financial advisor, discovered head room in nest egg (ie, can cover planned retirement expenses with very high confidence, including same mortgage as today and room for error should market bust).

For those who maintain a home mortgage in retirement, please share your mindset for doing so. That peace of mind is hard to ignore no matter what financials say.

Thank you!

Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119562 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 12:33 pm to
I am retiring in 3-4 years. Built a house last year, larger in size, and with more amenities. Went from no mortgage to some mortgage. 15 year, 2.25%.
Previously did not have a mortgage for 8 years.

My thoughts were, I would have to carry the mortgage, which is easily doable, carry one car note, and no credit card debt (i.e. I pay it off monthly) till I'm 62, then let my SS cover my mortgage payment to the end. At that rate, no real interest in paying it off early other than not liking to make a payment.

Being that close to retirement, I figure worst case, I would take enough out at retirement to pay it off if I had to/wanted to when I retire, but I generally do not plan to do that right now. Could change tomorrow though.


P.S. I do not recommend upsizing in house at retirement. However, the wife and I have no heirs, so it's sort of the "spending your kids inheritance" mindset.

Our will state that 25% goes to our church, and the other 75% split among 2 pet shelters we have adopted from.
Posted by tigersfan1989
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2018
1265 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 2:39 pm to
The only thing I have to add is some people use holding a mortgage as a sub for bond allocation for retirement as it doesn’t make sense to hold low interest bonds and have a mortgage as your financing a investment in bonds at that point.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
9295 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

For those who maintain a home mortgage in retirement, please share your mindset for doing so. That peace of mind is hard to ignore no matter what financials say.



Wife and I moved to Santa Fe end of October 2020, bought a house mid-December, financed roughly half of purchase @ 2.75%/30 years. Just re-fi'd yesterday with a 1.625% 7 yr ARM, 30 yr amortization, limited closing costs, no appraisal, through Schwab/Rocket. House is roughly up $100k in value since December according to long time RE agent but we have probably put ~ 20k in improvements since purchase.

To me it's a no brainer, we own a shite ton of investments that throw off multiples of what the mortgage rate is and don't see the point in paying it off. We will know within the 7-year fixed rate time frame whether we are staying here longer term and can pay it off then prior to rate re-set or perhaps pay off partially and let it ride depending on future rates and investment environment. Paying under 1k/month on ~ $700k house (no escrow), that's very low cost. I don't care if people agree with the strategy or not, I know it will work out for us. It's rather pointless to lock up all that cash in a house (especially not knowing you will spend 10-30+ years in the house) just to say your mortgage free especially if you have other investments earning significantly more than the interest cost of the mortgage. YMMV.
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
10178 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 4:32 pm to
My plan is to remodel my house after my kids leave and sell it, buy/build a smaller one with the cash from the sell. I don't want any more bills when I retire, I want to enjoy every dime retiring and living life while I'm still able to.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68479 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 4:40 pm to
My parents moved to FL in 2019. They were retired for at least 5 years at that point.

Their house in GA had been paid off for several years, sold it for $290k but their house in FL they bought was $445k. Instead of just liquidating a lot of investments to pay the difference and getting a huge tax bill, they took a 15 year like 150k mortgage out at a low rate, and they itemize so they can deduct the interest anyways. Just makes more sense this way instead of paying so much in taxes on 150k in pretax investment accounts to pay the difference.
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
9825 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 4:54 pm to
"Always favored positive spread over peace of mind re low interest mortgage."
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Do you guys have a balance sheet?

Low interest mortgage vs. Higher spread investment.

You could easily take your investment and pay it off if necessary. But if it makes you sleep better, you should pay it off.
Posted by rphtx
CO
Member since Apr 2018
1322 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 5:03 pm to
Sort of the same boat, but everyone is going to be in a different space. I'm retiring (at 52, but want to find something else to do) in a few months. Bought a new 'gonna die in this house' for more than what I just sold my current house for. Let's say the house I bought was 700k and I sold my current house for 500k, which was paid off. I now have about $400k after all is said and done and about 400k left on the new mortgage. We could come close to paying it off and being mortgage free again.

My financial advisor says that it would be best to put maybe 200k back into house equity, recast our loan to whatever we are comfortable a month paying. If you can get down around the 2.5-2.75% rate, it doesn't make sense on paper to pay the house off. Although the market is shite atm, the money you are paying towards the mortgage could go into any number of investment accounts and earn you far greater wealth that will allow paying the mortgage down later on. Unless of course the market takes a serious dive and all that. But what goes down, eventually goes up again.

It really comes down to wanting the stability of a paid house in the weird times we are in vs building wealth with extra money that you put into the home. Our advisor supports whatever we do, but instead of paying off the house (which was what we wanted initially), we are compromising with his advice and going 50/50.

Posted by kaaj24
Dallas
Member since Jan 2010
621 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 6:11 pm to
I plan to have the home paid off for peace of mind.

Part of the equation is interest rates. Lower interest rates make sense not to pay off early assuming you’d invest the difference.

I personally hope we get back to more normal interest rate environment but we’re addicted to cheap money.
Posted by MSTiger33
Member since Oct 2007
20406 posts
Posted on 7/18/21 at 3:42 am to
My plan is to retire in about 16 years. We will probably have a mortgage. However, we may downsize shortly thereafter so probably will end up with no mortgage for that purchase. Really depends on housing market. Hell, our house is already up 25% in value from October and that doesn’t take into account the renovations we did.
This post was edited on 7/18/21 at 3:44 am
Posted by jfw3535
South of Bunkie
Member since Mar 2008
4688 posts
Posted on 7/18/21 at 9:06 am to
Not retired yet, but hope to in the next 10 years or so and I will definitely have the house paid off before then. But I don't care if the numbers say its a dumb thing to do. I like the piece of mind and knowledge of being debt free. That is worth far more to me than the time value of my money invested vs. paying off my low interest mortgage.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
53143 posts
Posted on 7/18/21 at 1:02 pm to
I had the cash last year to pay my mortgage off in full but instead I did the smart thing and aped into stonks

Now I can pay my mortgage off times 4 but nah I’m good
Posted by Vacherie
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2017
439 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:39 am to
Retirement is 4 years away. Built new home cash last year on acreage. Zero debt w/ savings and 401k. Plan on buying a new truck before retirement and pay cash. I want peace of mind when I pull the plug on working.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85146 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 12:50 pm to
quote:

That peace of mind is hard to ignore no matter what financials say.


Not having a note is pretty cool, I’m sure, but calling it peace of mind is misleading to me. There are more scenarios where you run out of money without a mortgage than with one.
Posted by SECdragonmaster
Order of the Dragons
Member since Dec 2013
16252 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 9:07 pm to
Just sold the home we raised our kids in and bought a smaller house with the cash and pocketed the extra $300,000.

Have no debt anymore.

No college loans for wife or kids.
No car payments.

Have another two rental properties that are paid off and generating money as well.

Wife and I are in our 50’s but I plan to work for 25 more years. I love my job.

I sleep so much better these past few months with no mortgage. I don’t care about the financial loss that I may be taking over the next 25 years.

Planning my expenses has never been easier. My wife and I have an extra $3500 to spend every month with no mortgage.
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