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Will Islam fracture Britain? The Economist

Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:02 am
Posted by Wildcat1996
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Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:02 am
The Economist

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There are now almost 2,000 serving a Muslim population of more than 3m. Some heavily Muslim areas such as Blackburn’s Bastwell district have several in the same street. But what goes on inside? And what is their relationship with wider society?

Mr Husain is the ideal man to answer these questions. The son of an Indian father and a mother who migrated from what is today Bangladesh, he won a prize for reciting the Koran as a child and spent much of his 20s in the Middle East perfecting his Arabic. He has written two books on Islam and has a broad intellectual hinterland. He wrote a phd thesis under the supervision of the conservative British philosopher, Roger Scruton, and has worked for a number of think-tanks including the Council on Foreign Relations in America.

Mr Husain discovered much to be pleased about. Britain has absorbed a big Muslim population better than its ancient foe, France. On May 6th London re-elected its first Muslim mayor, Labour’s Sadiq Khan. Several young politicians such as Naz Shah, mp for Bradford West, represent the modern face of the religion.

There is also a darker story. The British establishment that presided over the immigration which followed the second world war expected Islamic migrants to melt into wider society and relax their religious views. But in parts of the country Muslim communities are distancing themselves from wider British society and adopting stricter versions of their faith.

This is particularly true in the old mill towns of Yorkshire and Lancashire, which now contain parallel societies, where the faithful can live their day-to-day lives without mixing. Mosques run schools and pronounce on Islamic law. Restaurants offer gender segregation under the polite name of “family seating”.

These societies are dominated by a clerical class that extends its influence into secular society by, for example, endorsing candidates for Parliament. Mr Husain visited mosque after mosque that taught a highly literal interpretation of Islam, sometimes clinging to arguments that are being dropped in the Middle East. He saw shops displaying books that advocate stoning gays or keeping wives in purdah or waging jihad. Sayyid Qutb, Osama bin Laden’s favourite philosopher, appeared often.

Many of these clerics belong to religious groupings with roots far from these shores. Saudi Wahhabis pour money into British mosques and offer all-expenses-paid scholarships to young British Muslims. More surprising is the importance of the Deobandis. Mr Husain claims more than half of the country’s mosques now belong to the movement, which began in India and seeks to rebuild the caliphate from the ground up, convert by convert. Dewsbury, a historic market town in Yorkshire, is the European capital of the largest Muslim organisation in the world, the Tableeghi Jamaat, the movement’s evangelical arm.

Why does this matter? Religious minorities have always clung together, the better to preserve their faith. Look at the Quakers during the Industrial Revolution or Orthodox Jews in Manchester or London today. Isn’t “a parallel society” just a derogatory name for a flourishing subculture? And isn’t the Catholic church also an example of foreign influence? It is no business of the state to make windows into people’s souls.

There are nevertheless good reasons to be worried. One is the paradox of toleration. There are limits to how much liberal societies can tolerate people who call for gays to be stoned or who denounce Ms Shah as “a dog” because she fails to wear a hijab. The radicalised version of Islam being preached by clerics not only promotes intolerance but also fosters extremism.

A second is the paradox of diversity. The welfare state that liberals hold dear depends for its legitimacy on people feeling that they have a common identity. Robert Putnam, a Harvard sociologist, has demonstrated that support for the provision of public goods falls sharply if people think that the recipients are strikingly different from them. It is hard to be more strikingly different than the parallel communities of Dewsbury and Bradford.

State failure
The third is more practical. Britain is witnessing a struggle for the soul of Islam. But the state has repeatedly acted as if it is on the side of the forces of reaction rather than those of enlightenment. It has kowtowed to self-proclaimed community leaders, mistaking hardline beliefs for “authenticity”. It has tolerated schools such as Darul Uloom, in Rochdale, that combines gcse instruction with requiring students to memorise the Hadiths, including ones about beating wives and stoning homosexuals. And it has failed to make a compelling case for Britishness. Mr Husain points out that many Muslim children get a warts-and-all account of British history from their schools, while hearing constant praise for Turkey and Saudi Arabia in their madrassas. The trauma of Brexit has created a palpable desire to cure many of the social and geographic divisions that threaten to divide the country into warring tribes. Mr Husain makes a compelling case that that quest should not ignore the world of the mosque.



Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
15417 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:11 am to
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Will Islam fracture Britain?


“You knew I was a snake when you took me in”
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
18240 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:13 am to
Borders, Language , Culture. The proud Brits that fought to protect their island home against the Nazis have allowed an invasion without firing a shot. They are surrendering to the dark ages of ignorance, intolerance and evil.

America - watch and see. If we don't change we are next.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
34073 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:14 am to
The same people who support gays and transgenders also supported importing Muslims.

I’ll never understand it
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
41861 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:14 am to
Britain is a lost cause imho.
Posted by Rex Feral
Member since Jan 2014
15887 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:14 am to
It's a third column that will destroy Britain from within. I was in London a couple years back and there are areas in town with Arabic only signs. They have no interest becoming part of society. This is what happens when people stop having children. It creates a lack of a labor force which requires huge numbers if immigrants to fill the jobs. It's happened before and it will continue to happen again. Nothing is new under the sun.
Posted by IslandBuckeye
Boca Chica, Panama
Member since Apr 2018
10067 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:18 am to
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The welfare state that liberals hold dear depends for its legitimacy on people feeling that they have a common identity.


The same problem here with Identity Politics that the left fails to realize. Or perhaps does realize and is part of their agenda.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34851 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:27 am to
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The same people who support gays and transgenders also supported importing Muslims.

I’ll never understand it


While pointing to homogeneous white Scandinavian countries as utopian.
This post was edited on 6/30/21 at 7:28 am
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:30 am to
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This is what happens when people stop having children.


A culture that does not reproduce itself,

dies.
Posted by Vegas Eddie
The Quad
Member since Dec 2013
6051 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:34 am to
Surprising to me that the French seem to fight this harder than the Brits
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
14516 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:38 am to
Once-Great Britain.

It's a pathetic shame to see what they are allowing to happen to them. As someone said earlier, the grandparents of these people held off Hitler for a good while by themselves. Now they're going to allow 7th century throwbacks ABSORB their country??? Insanity

"When you import the third world, you become the third world."
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
78970 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:39 am to
:i hate to see it happen:
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68462 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:45 am to
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Will Islam fracture Britain?

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fracture

I think the word is takeover
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
22716 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:46 am to
At this point for the United Kingdom, the only way to preserve its culture and history in the long term is to round them up and send them out, because they will never assimilate. Even the ones that are born there. However, the United Kingdom, or any other nation with the same problem, would rather die than enact such a policy. They are all willing to commit cultural suicide than be labeled as racist.

God Save the Queen.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17333 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:48 am to
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The Economist


frick them. Canceled their subscription 10 years ago because of their overt political bent.

The progressive lunatics ruined a great magazine.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:51 am to
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There are limits to how much liberal societies can tolerate


Britain won’t do a thing. The Muslims know this.
Posted by TNTigerman
James Island
Member since Sep 2012
11773 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:58 am to
What hypocrisy. The same people who own The Economist are behind their entire movement to flood Europe of undesirables and do the same to America. Good grief.
Posted by Champagne
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Member since Oct 2007
53349 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 8:01 am to
Islam is stronger than Great Britain, IMHO.

The Islamic faithful inside Britain will enforce a very strict form of their faith because they want to combat the Decadent West, not embrace it. Great Britain's own decadence will be powerless to stop this.

Many will ask, what is the solution to the Left Wing's destruction of any semblance of a decent moral code within which to raise our families? The answer may well be: ISLAM. Islam can stop the Left.
Posted by IslandBuckeye
Boca Chica, Panama
Member since Apr 2018
10067 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 8:05 am to
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Britain won’t do a thing. The Muslims know this.


Neither will USA.

frick. The. Muslim. Brotherhood.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
47642 posts
Posted on 6/30/21 at 8:10 am to
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The British establishment that presided over the immigration which followed the second world war expected Islamic migrants to melt into wider society and relax their religious views.


That's their own dumbass fault for believing this.

Also, frick Islam with a cactus. Islam is a stain on humanity.
This post was edited on 6/30/21 at 8:18 am
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